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« on: April 16, 2021, 07:28:03 PM »

"'Anglo-Saxon political traditions'" is not a racial reference.  It is a reference to the 18th century Whig idea that the major elements of the English & American tradition of liberty, common law, separation of powers, etc., can all be traced back to guys whose names started with "Ęthel-" gathering under oak trees.
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2021, 07:35:00 PM »

"'Anglo-Saxon political traditions'" is not a racial reference.  It is a reference to the 18th century Whig idea that the major elements of the English & American tradition of liberty, common law, separation of powers, etc., can all be traced back to guys whose names started with "Ęthel-" gathering under oak trees.

Are you for real? LOL


Yes. Thomas Jefferson was a big proponent of it.  It's still popular in some conservative / right-libertarian circles.
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2021, 11:35:26 PM »

"'Anglo-Saxon political traditions'" is not a racial reference.  It is a reference to the 18th century Whig idea that the major elements of the English & American tradition of liberty, common law, separation of powers, etc., can all be traced back to guys whose names started with "Æthel-" gathering under oak trees.

You expect me to believe that Reps Greene and Gosar know that?


Myths are socially held knowledge.  Any particular person doesn't need to know all the details of a myth, much less its historical origins, to share belief in it.
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2021, 02:49:09 PM »

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History has shown that societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country ...

Yup, these guys are definitely referencing the Magna Carta with "Anglo-Saxon political traditions" and are not just generically racist.

Has it occurred to you that some people oppose immigration because they really do believe things they genuinely care about are threatened by it?

How about making the argument that the political traditions that America inherited from England and built upon is not threatened by large numbers of people coming here from completely different cultures, rather than assuming that caring about the political traditions at all is racist?
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2021, 12:53:50 PM »

Why the  was my post deleted?!!  Put it back.
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2021, 12:59:41 PM »

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History has shown that societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country ...

Yup, these guys are definitely referencing the Magna Carta with "Anglo-Saxon political traditions" and are not just generically racist.

Has it occurred to you that some people oppose immigration because they really do believe things they genuinely care about are threatened by it?

How about making the argument that the political traditions that America inherited from England and built upon is not threatened by large numbers of people coming here from completely different cultures, rather than assuming that caring about the political traditions at all is racist?

I should also point out that less than 10% of Americans are primarily of English descent, so if immigration from other countries harms those traditions, it would have finished us off centuries ago.

if you are going to empty quote a post at least make it one that has some familiarity with how ancestry is counted by most people in this country.
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2021, 01:03:30 PM »

The ironic thing about this whole debate is the insistence that immigration makes *no meaningful difference at all* to the culture of the destination country is close to a uniquely Anglophone idea.
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2021, 07:00:06 PM »

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History has shown that societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country ...

Yup, these guys are definitely referencing the Magna Carta with "Anglo-Saxon political traditions" and are not just generically racist.

Has it occurred to you that some people oppose immigration because they really do believe things they genuinely care about are threatened by it?

How about making the argument that the political traditions that America inherited from England and built upon is not threatened by large numbers of people coming here from completely different cultures, rather than assuming that caring about the political traditions at all is racist?

I should also point out that less than 10% of Americans are primarily of English descent, so if immigration from other countries harms those traditions, it would have finished us off centuries ago.

if you are going to empty quote a post at least make it one that has some familiarity with how ancestry is counted by most people in this country.

Ancestry in this country is counted by most people in a racist way. The fact that a person of "Anglo-Saxon culture" (if such a thing even existed in the contemporary United States, which it does not) might consider a Syrian person to be from a "completely different culture" but not a Russian person does not actually mean that that person is correct.

I mean people counting their own ancestry.   Does anyone here really think North New England and Mormonland are the only places where Americans could find a large amount of English ancestry if they traced their family trees all the way back?
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2021, 07:09:20 PM »

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History has shown that societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country ...

Yup, these guys are definitely referencing the Magna Carta with "Anglo-Saxon political traditions" and are not just generically racist.

Has it occurred to you that some people oppose immigration because they really do believe things they genuinely care about are threatened by it?

How about making the argument that the political traditions that America inherited from England and built upon is not threatened by large numbers of people coming here from completely different cultures, rather than assuming that caring about the political traditions at all is racist?

I should also point out that less than 10% of Americans are primarily of English descent, so if immigration from other countries harms those traditions, it would have finished us off centuries ago.

if you are going to empty quote a post at least make it one that has some familiarity with how ancestry is counted by most people in this country.

Why do you think you're smarter than everyone else on this topic?

If you use accusations of racism as a crutch, you don't need to be smart to win an argument.
Especially when 90% of people are liberal and conservatives' posts get deleted for no reason!
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