Israeli Airstrikes on Gaza

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I have to say Israel deserves all this sh**t that it gets in the world. They were the ones who violated the peace treaty and so they got some rockets fired at them. So they just go in and indiscriminately bomb the whole damn place. If this was any other country in the world our media would have been nonstop babbling about human rights and all of that but apparently Israel is special. They get to have racist laws that deny people the right to return to their homes just because they aren't jewish. And that is all right because the poor jews don't have their own nation. Awwwww how sad. Well guess what bitches many ethnic minorities don't have their own nations. Jewish people need to stop their bitching. For the most part they are treated as well as any other group of people around the world. It can only get worse if Israel continues its bullsh**t.

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I have to say Israel deserves all this sh**t that it gets in the world. They were the ones who violated the peace treaty

cite?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123154826952369919.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Already cited in this thread btw, on page 10. Maybe instead of just asking for citations, you should actually read them.

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I have to say Israel deserves all this sh**t that it gets in the world. They were the ones who violated the peace treaty

cite?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123154826952369919.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Already cited in this thread btw, on page 10. Maybe instead of just asking for citations, you should actually read them.

Perhaps you should avoid blindly placing your trust on a single opinion article.

The Israeli "violation" of the peace treaty was self-defensive. It consisted in destroying a tunnel like the one Hamas has used in the past to kidnap Israeli soldiers. The Palestinian that was killed in the raid happened to be a member of Hamas, a fact the author of the article doesn't see fit to mention.

Israel's explanation seems perfectly valid and I don't see why you can't at least entertain the notion that Israel may have been acted in self-defense. Or do Palestinians have an inalienable right to construct underground tunnels into Israel?

Also, surely you agree that the Palestinian reaction to the Israeli raid was disproportionate? Firing thousands of rockets into Israeli civilian areas, including schools and playgrounds, is hardly the appropriate response to the Israeli destruction of a tunnel.

And yet they did break the peace agreement didn't they. I am not going to nitpick about it, just pointing it out. The larger point is that you will rarely hear it in the media and we have to hear it from "opinion" pieces. And perhaps Hamas's reaction to this incident was disproportionate, no actually it was. But isn't Israel's reaction even more disproportionate than what Hamas did. The rate at which civilians are being killed in Gaza is just staggering. Israel really has fallen to new lows. I do believe they have a right to self defense but what they are doing now is going above and beyond it. I doubt its actually solving anything anyways, just creating more enemies. Yet that is Israel's only option left isn't it. I think we all have to realize that one day the state of Israel will fall and all Arabs and Jews will have to live under one government, and perhaps Jews won't be the majority. Aww how sad.

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And yet they did break the peace agreement didn't they. I am not going to nitpick about it, just pointing it out. The larger point is that you will rarely hear it in the media and we have to hear it from "opinion" pieces. And perhaps Hamas's reaction to this incident was disproportionate, no actually it was. But isn't Israel's reaction even more disproportionate than what Hamas did. The rate at which civilians are being killed in Gaza is just staggering. Israel really has fallen to new lows. I do believe they have a right to self defense but what they are doing now is going above and beyond it. I doubt its actually solving anything anyways, just creating more enemies. Yet that is Israel's only option left isn't it. I think we all have to realize that one day the state of Israel will fall and all Arabs and Jews will have to live under one government, and perhaps Jews won't be the majority. Aww how sad.

I know it's hard for you to fathom, but get this: innocent civilians die during war! It's unfortunate but unavoidable, even more unavoidable when Hamas intentionally puts innocent civilians in harm's way for propaganda purposes.

Israel has gone to incredible lengths to reduce civilian casualties in Gaza, even at the detriment of their own soldiers. They temporarily halted their attacks to allow civilians to get aid (as Hamas was stealing aid supplies and reselling them), they have given Gazans access to Israeli hospitals, and they even called homes before bombing them to allow civilians to get out! Of course, Hamas has taken advantage of the latter and sends in human shields. It is not Israel's fault that Hamas hides their weapons among civilian populations. The deaths of innocent civilians in Gaza are the responsibility solely of Hamas.

Yes some civilian casualties are always possible but this time Israel is doing too much, especially bombing UN sanctioned shelters. Hamas is obviously at fault as well but shouldn't Israel be a little more civilized than them. Anyways aren't all the rockets landing in land which Israel gained during war and then kept for "security". It's not as if the rockets are reaching Tel Aviv, Haifa or Jerusalem. Its probably only affecting those dirty settlers, who have as much fault in creating the whole mess as the PLO, Hezbollah and Hamas.

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I'd much rather they fight them in the courts instead launching more rocket attacks at civilians. 


Maybe they could boycot Jewish goods next?  Sit Ins?  Go on strike?  Something peacefull so Israel doesn't have an excuse to blow them up again.  Their methods up until now have been pretty freaking stupid.

Yeah I can't wait till the day the palestinians finally get it. A little slow aren't they?

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I'd much rather they fight them in the courts instead launching more rocket attacks at civilians. 


Maybe they could boycot Jewish goods next?  Sit Ins?  Go on strike?  Something peacefull so Israel doesn't have an excuse to blow them up again.  Their methods up until now have been pretty freaking stupid.

The methods you propose would not be effective or even noticed.

I disagree. A coordinated international effort led by a charismatic leader would definitely be recognized. Some would have said the same thing about the apartheid situation in South Africa in the 70's and 80's but look how that turned out.