Israeli Airstrikes on Gaza

[Јas]

OK, these Palestinian medical officials who are giving the casualty figures- who are they actually?

Cousins to Saddam's Information Minister?

I've not seen Israel dispute the reported numbers of fatlities/casualties on the Palestinian side (grateful for any citations either of you can provide as to where Israel do so). Their disagreement, AFAIK, regards just how many of the dead/injured were Hamas operatives.

And if Israel don't dispute the overall figures, why do you?

[dead0man]

How serious could I have been referencing Comical Ali?

[2952-0-0]

Whatever happens, the real loser will be Israel as this turns out to be the worst PR nightmare that not even Karl Rove can spin his way out of.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Israel accepts truce 'principles'

Israel has agreed "on the principles" of a ceasefire proposal, raising hopes of an end to its conflict with Palestinian militants in Gaza.

"The challenge now is to get the details to match the principles," Israeli spokesman Mark Regev said.

The Palestinian militant group Hamas said there were "positive signs but no agreement yet".

The development came as Israel halted military operations in Gaza for three hours to aid humanitarian efforts.

The lull, which began about 1100 GMT and ended shortly after 1400 GMT, was the first of what an Israeli spokesman said would be a daily ceasefire to allow Gazans to "get medical attention, get supplies... whatever they need".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7815929.stm

[afleitch]

Israel accepts truce 'principles'

Israel has agreed "on the principles" of a ceasefire proposal, raising hopes of an end to its conflict with Palestinian militants in Gaza.

"The challenge now is to get the details to match the principles," Israeli spokesman Mark Regev said.

The Palestinian militant group Hamas said there were "positive signs but no agreement yet".

The development came as Israel halted military operations in Gaza for three hours to aid humanitarian efforts.

The lull, which began about 1100 GMT and ended shortly after 1400 GMT, was the first of what an Israeli spokesman said would be a daily ceasefire to allow Gazans to "get medical attention, get supplies... whatever they need".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7815929.stm

Hamas: Stop bombing us
Israel: Okay....and stop bombing us?
Hamas: No

[Matt Damon™]

Israel needs to finish the job now.

I wish they would, but they'd probably need US help to do a thorough job.

How do you say "Final Solution" in hebrew?

[danny]

Whatever happens, the real loser will be Israel as this turns out to be the worst PR nightmare that not even Karl Rove can spin his way out of.

In what way does bad PR actually harm Israel (especially in a way more important than actual gains on the battlefield)?

[CARLHAYDEN]

Israel accepts truce 'principles'

Israel has agreed "on the principles" of a ceasefire proposal, raising hopes of an end to its conflict with Palestinian militants in Gaza.

"The challenge now is to get the details to match the principles," Israeli spokesman Mark Regev said.

The Palestinian militant group Hamas said there were "positive signs but no agreement yet".

The development came as Israel halted military operations in Gaza for three hours to aid humanitarian efforts.

The lull, which began about 1100 GMT and ended shortly after 1400 GMT, was the first of what an Israeli spokesman said would be a daily ceasefire to allow Gazans to "get medical attention, get supplies... whatever they need".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7815929.stm

Hamas: Stop bombing us
Israel: Okay....and stop bombing us?
Hamas: No

Good summary of the situation.

[Хahar 🤔]

Israel needs to finish the job now.

I wish they would, but they'd probably need US help to do a thorough job.

How do you say "Final Solution" in hebrew?

הפתרון הסופי

 

 Reduce to Moderated

[danny]

Israel needs to finish the job now.

I wish they would, but they'd probably need US help to do a thorough job.

How do you say "Final Solution" in hebrew?

הפתרון הסופי

How do you know Hebrew?

[Ronnie]

All accidents as well.  If those bastards in Hamas hadn't started this stupidity those civilians would still be alive.

Yeah, it's always hamas. Israel is innocent in this.

I'm glad you see it our way, Earth.

[Madhur]

Horrible and we should impose full sanctions on Tel Aviv.

For defending itself against constant Palestinian attacks?

It's Palestinian land. What they're doing is as morally just as removing illegal aliens or attacking intruders into your home as is your right under the castle doctrine.

None of the things listed above are moral though.

yeah they are, defending your nation from illegals and defending your house from intruders is a okay

[GMantis]

By the way, could some of Israel's apologists explain how expelling Palestinians from their houses helps the defense the Israel? It's also interesting why they stop journalists from entering Gaza.

[Yamor]

No expelling, just warning some who live in areas which will be bombed to get out if they value their lives. There were also one or two incidents of using a house to base themselves in for a short period of time, which is of course is absolutely necessary.
Concerning the journalist situation, the IDF explained themselves that it was a security risk. As I'm sure you'd agree, it's best to leave such operational decisions to the experts on the ground. Anyway, from yesterday, journalists were allowed in attached to IDF units.

[GMantis]

No expelling, just warning some who live in areas which will be bombed to get out if they value their lives. There were also one or two incidents of using a house to base themselves in for a short period of time, which is of course is absolutely necessary.

No, they are expelling people from areas they have already occupied.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/4162193/Gaza-medics-describe-horror-of-strike-which-killed-70.html

Concerning the journalist situation, the IDF explained themselves that it was a security risk. As I'm sure you'd agree, it's best to leave such operational decisions to the experts on the ground. Anyway, from yesterday, journalists were allowed in attached to IDF units.

Yes, the revealing of unpleasant details of Israel's actions is probably a security risk.

[Јas]

Vatican: "Look at the conditions in Gaza: more and more, it resembles a big concentration camp".

- BBC Report

[2952-0-0]

This is a huge public relations disaster for Israel regardless what happens on the ground.

[dead0man]

Just like it always is.  They can't win the PR battle.  I'd guess they don't care that much anymore.

[2952-0-0]

They probably will care if the military aid they get from the west gets cut.

[Matt Damon™]

If that happens zionism is dead in 6-12 months.Possibly from the establishment of a single joint secular government for Israel/Palestine. That's the outcome we'd get if Labor was in power there. If Likud was in power... Yeah. I suspect alot of US/western jews would be fleeing to Israel to avoid being lynched since the resulting depression from the nuking of the ME would destroy the world economy.

[2952-0-0]

You know things are serious when the Wall Street Journal prints an editorial accusing the IDF of war crimes.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123154826952369919.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

[GMantis]

The IDF targest Hamas and because of where Hamas operate from, they often kill nearby civilians.  

No, Israel targets Hamas, anywhere were there might be Hamas militants and and anywhere were there probably aren't Hamas fighers, but they attack just to be sure.
Like this, for example:
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5053R720090107
Of course, I'm certain that the defenders will be along in a short time to explain how there were actually Hamas fighers in the school and how Israel can recognize dead Hamas fighers without ever seeing them.

[Daniel Adams]

You know things are serious when the Wall Street Journal prints an editorial accusing the IDF of war crimes.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123154826952369919.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Ever since Paul Gigot became editor-in-chief the WSJ editorial page has featured a variety of different perspectives, although the editorial line remains conservative. The WSJ has printed articles authored by Democrats (e.g. Hillary Clinton), articles supporting drug legalization, and recently an essay by Mark Helprin slamming Bush's foreign policy. There's nothing special about the article you cite. The WSJ editors remain as pro-Israel as ever.

[Earth]

All accidents as well.  If those bastards in Hamas hadn't started this stupidity those civilians would still be alive.

Yeah, it's always hamas. Israel is innocent in this.

I'm glad you see it our way, Earth.

I hope that's sarcasm.

[Sbane]

I have to say Israel deserves all this sh**t that it gets in the world. They were the ones who violated the peace treaty and so they got some rockets fired at them. So they just go in and indiscriminately bomb the whole damn place. If this was any other country in the world our media would have been nonstop babbling about human rights and all of that but apparently Israel is special. They get to have racist laws that deny people the right to return to their homes just because they aren't jewish. And that is all right because the poor jews don't have their own nation. Awwwww how sad. Well guess what bitches many ethnic minorities don't have their own nations. Jewish people need to stop their bitching. For the most part they are treated as well as any other group of people around the world. It can only get worse if Israel continues its bullsh**t.