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Question: What party would you vote for in Canada?
#1
Conservative
 
#2
Liberal
 
#3
NDP
 
#4
Bloc Quebecois
 
#5
Green
 
#6
Christian Heritage
 
#7
Canadian Action
 
#8
Marijuana
 
#9
Progressive Canadian
 
#10
Communist
 
#11
CPC (Marxist-Leninist)
 
#12
Neorhino
 
#13
Libertarian
 
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Partisan results

Total Voters: 38

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Smid
Junior Chimp
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« on: September 30, 2008, 12:34:11 AM »

I would be voting Conservative in the poll.

As for Cold Cuts... the NDP should have announced whether they support the Greens or the Liberals in the riding so their voters would know where they should place their preferences. My thoughts on Gary Lunn have been previously documented in another thread.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2008, 07:33:29 PM »

undecided between Conservative and Liberal

Believe me, you're certainly not a Harper Conservative voter. Definitely not. PC maybe in the good old days. But not 2008 Conservative. You're either Greenie or Liberal.

The Canadian Conservative Party is the most moderate/progressive Conservative Party in the world.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2008, 08:54:11 PM »

undecided between Conservative and Liberal

Believe me, you're certainly not a Harper Conservative voter. Definitely not. PC maybe in the good old days. But not 2008 Conservative. You're either Greenie or Liberal.

The Canadian Conservative Party is the most moderate/progressive Conservative Party in the world.

Hell no.

The Ontario PCs were well to the left of the Liberals under the Big Blue Machine, it's true. The federal PCs were also quite centrist. But the current Conservative government consists by and large of réformistes, because the Reform Alliance was far larger than the Tories at the time of the merger. Reform was, of course, an offshoot of the old Social Credit movements in the West. Those were anything but moderate.

Anyway, take a guess as to whom I support. And all you Greenies should be voting red.

Even if the Canadian Conservative Party is not the most moderate/progressive Conservative Party in the world, it certainly comes close. It's certainly more moderate than the Republican Party in the US, the Conservative Party in England and the Liberal Party in Australia.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2008, 11:57:37 PM »

hey, if they want to vote Green instead of Liberal, that's great. It's those who should be voting NDP that I'm worried about.

You'd rather have Harper than Dion?

Dion is not a leader, not worth the risk.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2008, 01:35:10 AM »

As opposed to Harper, who always blames his government's mess-ups, mistakes, incidents, scandals, and accidents on the Liberals.

Leaders don't constantly pass the buck. Harper is not a leader.

Harper won the election less than two years ago. He inherited many problems. He has had a minority government, meaning that he's been unable to take decisive action. It's not passing the buck, it's leaving responsibility at the feet of those who caused problems and prevented these problems from being fixed. Dion would agree - he's already stated that it's too hard to set priorities.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2008, 12:24:11 AM »
« Edited: October 02, 2008, 01:45:57 AM by Smid »

He's had a de facto majority government since for too long the Liberals were playing chicken and losing each time.

I didn't see Dion giving any commitments to passing all legislation Harper put forward.


It's also hard to blame the Liberals for their In-And-Out campaign finance scandal,

Pales into insignificance compared to the "elaborate kickback scheme" unearthed by Gomery.


making the PMO more closed than the Kremlin,

Your source on this is...? What standard was used to calculate how closed the respective offices are? I assume this is somehow different from the "veil of secrecy" and "lack of transparency" Justice Gomery cited in his report into the previous Liberal Government?



And how would you spend that money? It's easy to label spending as pork when the money's not going into a project that you approve of, but the fact of the matter is: Harper has lowered taxes. It is the Liberals who believe in tax-and-spend, which provides greater scope for "pork projects" and corruption, as was unearthed by Gomery.


148 cronies stuffed into public offices just before this summer, and so forth.

As opposed to, say, Art Eggleton, Larry Campbell, Jim Cowan, Romeo Dallaire, Dennis Dawson, Francis Fox, Yoine Goldstein, Sandra Lovelace Nicholas, Grant Mitchell, Robert Peterson, Claudette Tardif and Rod Zimmer, all of whom are Liberals parachuted by Paul Martin into Senate seats, within the last twelve months of his office.

Of particular interest are Rod Zimmer, noted fundraiser for the Liberal Party of Canada (it seems that the Liberals have no problem selling Senate seats, although so far not yet on ebay). Dennis Dawson, who ran for the Liberals in the 2004 election in Beauport being humiliatingly defeated by the Bloc by an almost 2:1 ratio, before being handed a comfortable seat in the Senate (good thing the Liberals are so big on democracy, otherwise they might not be so willing to listen to the voice of the people who clearly don't want him there). Good ol' Larry Campbell decided he wasn't a politician and therefore wouldn't re-contest the Vancouver Mayoralty, of course this didn't stop him from accepting a Senate appointment from Martin (probably because the appointed Senate means he doesn't have to be a politician, not having to worry about trifling little issues such as elections). Then you've got Art Eggleton, who backed Martin's leadership bid but was passed over for the Ministry, thus he had a hissy fit and announced he wouldn't run for re-election. Realising his mistake, Martin promptly appoints him to the Senate once the election is out of the way.

I guess the only time you disapprove of cronyism is when it relates to appointments to the public service, rather than appointments for life in teensy-weensy Senate seats. I am quite confident to suggest that in the long run, Martin's appointment of 12 "cronies stuffed into" the Senate until retirement will cost taxpayers a lot more than Harper's appointment of 148 to public offices a month or so ago.

Your mock outrage is fun to watch and all, but it doesn't really work when the Liberals govern with "a culture of entitlement among political officials" and "the refusal of [liberal] Ministers, senior officials in the [liberal] PMO and public servants to acknowledge their responsibility for the problems of mismanagement" - comments made not by me, but by Justice Gomery.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2008, 06:43:13 PM »


There is a fast food outlet in Melbourne with a couple of storefronts called "Lord of the Fries." They have numerous different styles from different countries - eg. "Italian style" which has cheese and napoli sauce, or "Mexican style" which has salsa and sour cream and jalepinos. One of the ones they offer is "Canadian style" which is their version of poutine. According to my Canadian fiancee, the gravy is spot on, but obviously they've had to use a different type of cheese, since you can't get the cheese curds here that they use in Quebec.

Here's their website:
http://www.lordofthefries.com.au/
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Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,151
Australia


« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2008, 11:01:37 PM »


I enjoyed it when I visited Canada over Christmas, and I enjoy it when I get it here, too.
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