Will/Should US defend Ukraine against Russian invasion, at the risk of starting WW3?

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

The Cuban Missile Crisis is also just a plain ol' bad comparison. If the United States and NATO were stationing nuclear weapons in Ukraine right now, then it would be hard to begrudge the Russians for being aggressive.

Russia claims it sees that nuclear missiles etc will be the end game here. West says, it's up to Ukraina, and Russia has no say about it, which is why Cuba is good exempel. Nobody in West thinks, it's up to Cuba and USA has no say. Nobody.

But what Putin is threatening is nothing but Hitlerian military expansion, which is why it's so essential to make clear to him that any soldier he sends into Ukraine will get sent back to Moscow in a body bag. Putin may have all the sleek new gadgets of the 21st century, but he is no more sophisticated or civilized than any barbarian warlord throughout history. Death and violence are all he can comprehend, so while we should be prepared to sanction Russia and destroy its economy, we also need to be prepared to rain death and destruction upon his men should they make any attempt to conquer any part of Europe.

LOL, wut? There is zero talks to threat Putin military re:Ukraine. Zero.  Or, do you mean, NATO&EU-members?

Btw, US's even struggled to destroy Iran's economy, which is much less resilient than Russia's. Yes, you could hurt us, but that's it. You live in the past. Once upon time US's share of global GDP (PPP) was around 40% (70% with western world), now just around 20% (50%).  Moreover, a full-blown attack on Russia's economy would likely totally destabilize energy market, which would do anything but ensure Trump 2024 

The "but muh Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia" argument doesn't really carry any historical weight because the Western Powers were never trying to absorb those countries into a military alliance hostile to Germany - they were trying to keep them neutral. Meanwhile, NATO has expanded to Russian borders and obviously has long been trying to integrate Ukraine into the neoliberal order. It's obvious why Russia sees this as an American-led aggression.

The "but muh NATO on Russia's border" argument doesn't really carry any weight because it's a defensive treaty.   An adversary bitching about a defensive treaty proves why the countries needed a defensive treaty in the first funking place.

Nuclear missiles were deployed in Cuba due to defensive countermeasure as well. It's not like USSR had intention to attack US. US was and would be bitching again around it, if Russia/China made it now. So?

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

Nuclear missiles were deployed in Cuba due to defensive countermeasure as well. It's not like USSR had intention to attack US. US was and would be bitching again around it, if Russia/China made it now. So?

if we put put nukes (why would we need to? it's not the 60s anymore) in Ukraine, you'd have a great point, otherwise, not so much.

Have we put nukes in Estonia?  No?  Poland?  No?  Has anyone in the west even seriously suggested it, ever?  no


The only threat Russia faces if Ukraine, Georgia, others join NATO is that they will have fewer potential countries to invade.  We should have invited them all in 1992 and we wouldn't be in this mess today (and Georgia and Ukraine would still be whole).

There are talks.

2015
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/06/poland-considering-asking-for-access-to-nuclear-weapons-under-nato-program
Poland considering asking for access to nuclear weapons under Nato program
Deputy defence minister says Poland is discussing whether to join other European countries in hosting nuclear arms to strengthen defences



19 Nov 2021 by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg at the German Atlantic Association 'NATO Talk' Conference 2021
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_188772.htm

The alternative to NATO nuclear sharing is different kinds of bilateral arrangements and also the risk of having, you know, nuclear weapons also . . . so, of course, Germany can, of course, decide whether there will be nuclear weapons in your country, but the alternative is that we easily end up with nuclear weapons in other countries in Europe, also to the east of Germany.

He pushes Germany to be part of NATO nuclear sharing, because otherwise according to NATO's Secretary General nuclear weapons might "very easily" end up in countries to the east of Germany... Hm...

Excuse me, but Russia should take extremely seriously NATO's Secretary General's "predictions", don't you think so?

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1468612402640048134?t=kh2wX8th3o8oKl6FL9jOyA...

Great American Patriots Biden and Tucker get it!

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1468394056191385606



https://www.businessinsider.com/tucker-carlson-accuses-gop-trying-to-spark-us-russia-war-2021-12
Tucker Carlson accused the GOP of trying to goad the US into war with Russia, the day after he took Putin's side on Ukraine

• Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Wednesday again addressed Russian-Ukrainian tensions.
• He accused some Republicans of seeking to pull the US into a conflict with Vladimir Putin.
• It followed a segment the previous day when Carlson argued in favor of Putin's actions.

Fox News host Tucker Carlson accused part of the Republican Party of seeking to goad the US into military confrontation with Russia.

Carlson's claim was part of a series of sympathetic arguments he made as Russia conducts a military buildup along its border with Ukraine, sparking fears of a conflict.

The host claimed Tuesday that Russia actions were a defensive response to NATO aggression, drawing accusations that he was pushing Kremlin propaganda.

On Wednesday night's edition of his show he turned his attention to those in the US he claimed are seeking to push the Biden administration towards conflict.

"It's almost impossible to believe, but we actually are moving closer to a hot war with Russia," said Carlson, claiming "you could wake up one morning and it's 1914," referencing the year that World War I broke out in Europe.

"Republicans are doing nothing to stop this," Carlson said. "In fact, they're egging the weak and incompetent president on to do more. 'Oh, Biden is weak. He's not standing up against Vladimir Putin!'"

"You're hearing that constantly, including on this channel from Republicans. And the rhetoric is getting hotter and crazier and more disconnected from reality."

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1468612402640048134?t=kh2wX8th3o8oKl6FL9jOyA...

Great American Patriots Biden and Tucker get it!

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1468394056191385606



https://www.businessinsider.com/tucker-carlson-accuses-gop-trying-to-spark-us-russia-war-2021-12
Tucker Carlson accused the GOP of trying to goad the US into war with Russia, the day after he took Putin's side on Ukraine

• Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Wednesday again addressed Russian-Ukrainian tensions.
• He accused some Republicans of seeking to pull the US into a conflict with Vladimir Putin.
• It followed a segment the previous day when Carlson argued in favor of Putin's actions.

Fox News host Tucker Carlson accused part of the Republican Party of seeking to goad the US into military confrontation with Russia.

Carlson's claim was part of a series of sympathetic arguments he made as Russia conducts a military buildup along its border with Ukraine, sparking fears of a conflict.

The host claimed Tuesday that Russia actions were a defensive response to NATO aggression, drawing accusations that he was pushing Kremlin propaganda.

On Wednesday night's edition of his show he turned his attention to those in the US he claimed are seeking to push the Biden administration towards conflict.

"It's almost impossible to believe, but we actually are moving closer to a hot war with Russia," said Carlson, claiming "you could wake up one morning and it's 1914," referencing the year that World War I broke out in Europe.

"Republicans are doing nothing to stop this," Carlson said. "In fact, they're egging the weak and incompetent president on to do more. 'Oh, Biden is weak. He's not standing up against Vladimir Putin!'"

"You're hearing that constantly, including on this channel from Republicans. And the rhetoric is getting hotter and crazier and more disconnected from reality."

I understand Tucker is very popular on Russian "news", when it's not busy hoping for the return of Putin's lapdog Donald Trump.

Tucker is the best, true patriot of his country!

About the lapdogs...


https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-russia-ukraine-europe-vladimir-putin-8193787ec21ca2aded4a37fa325f07b5
NATO, Ukraine autonomy pose diplomatic challenges for Biden

Biden spoke by phone Thursday with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, although no details were available immediately after their discussion.

Administration officials have suggested that the U.S. will press Ukraine to formally cede a measure of autonomy to eastern Ukrainian lands now controlled by Russia-backed separatists who rose up against Kyiv in 2014. An undefined “special status” for those areas was laid out in an ambiguous, European-brokered peace deal in 2015, but it has never taken hold.

I doubt it is true, but if it really is, it's Putin's biggest win. Bigger than Nord Stream 2 that Pr. Biden gave over to him.

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

Putin's lapdog Donald Trump.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1468578603910717441

By the way, is it at all notable that Crimea became part of Russia during the Obama administration, and now Russia is supposedly preparing to invade Ukraine during the Biden administration, but never did either when they had their blackmail-controlled puppet in the White House?