Israeli Airstrikes on Gaza

[dead0man]

No no no, clearly none of this would happen if the Jews would all just die...or, if failing that, at least just all move somewhere else.  The Pali's are a peaceful people and would get along with their neighbors just fine if those god danged Jews would just cease to exist.

We're really going to miss Xahar during these aren't we?

[dead0man]

I wasn't implying that my sarcastic paragraph is something Xahar would write.  At least that wasn't my intention.  He clearly isn't the only one here that thinks the Jews should leave the Middle East.

[dead0man]

It doesn't matter if Israel overdoes it or underdoes it or does nothing at all, rockets will still be fired randomly at their civilians.  The local authorities in Gaza will do nothing to stop them (because they are the ones launching them).  It's a lose/lose for them, just like it always is.

[dead0man]

Here are the facts folks:


Israel is a nation (right or wrong)

Hamas is attacking Israel from civilian areas

Israel is attacking those sites

If Hamas would stop and respect Israel (again right or wrong) Israel would also leave them alone

Close

Israel is a nation (right or wrong)

Hamas is attacking Israelie civlians from civilian areas

Israel is attacking those sites and doing their damndest not to hit civilians

If Hamas would stop and respect Israel (again right or wrong) Israel would also leave them alone

[dead0man]

Even that wouldn't do it.  It would just fill back in with more asshats killing each other over the same sh**t.

[dead0man]

Fact: This is always going to happen until the good Lord comes back. Isn't anything new.

Well, if it wasn't anything new about it, it wouldn't be a sign that his appearance was drawing near. 

Having spent a couple of decades in a So.Baptist church I learned EVERYTHING is a sign of His impending arrival.

[dead0man]

well, I can think of a couple of signs that have come to pass:
1) reformation of Israel
2) increase in wickedness
3) nations begin to turn against Israel

Yep, that's what they were saying in 1975.  Everybody expects the world to end on their watch, everybody has always been wrong.  I blame our ego's.

[dead0man]

Close

Israel is a nation (right or wrong)

Hamas is attacking Israelie civlians from civilian areas

Israel is attacking those sites and doing their damndest not to hit civilians

If Hamas would stop and respect Israel (again right or wrong) Israel would also leave them alone

Somewhat close

Israel is a nation (right or wrong)

Hamas is attacking indiscriminately from a very densely populated area

Israel is attacking those sites and doing it with extremely heavy firepower, making it very hard not to hit civilians in the overcrowded Gaza strip

If Hamas would stop and respect Israel (again right or wrong) Israel would only blockade them

Agreed...except for the last line.  If the Pali's grew up, Israel would have to end any blockade.  But before we can ever get there, the asshats need to stop firing randomly into Israel.  End of story.

[dead0man]

Yep, they voted in a terrorist organization.  Everybody knew how this was going to play out.  The Pali's get to continue playing the victim and racists continue to have excuses to wish death on Jews.  The military industry gets to test and sell more weapons, terrorists get to try new tactics and refine old ones.  Everybody wins except for the ones that get blowed up and their loved ones.  Same as it's ever been.




(I'm NOT calling you or any other individual a racist)

[dead0man]

That is the point.  They are free to elect terrorists if they want and Israel's democratically elected govt is free to close their borders when they do.  If they want peace with Israel maybe they shouldn't willingly chose to elect terrorist leaders.

[dead0man]

At the time Hamas was starting to adopt more moderate (relatively speaking, of course) positions. In any case, punishing the entire country because of the government elected doesn't send a strong message for democracy. It doesn't help the opposition either.

I don't understand.  How is it bad for democracy.  Democracy worked, the people wanted a govt and they got it.  They knew what they were getting into.  This isn't a negative for democracy, it's a negative for the poor people of Gaza because of their foolish choice.

[dead0man]

I'd have more sympathy for Israel if they weren't Hamas' primary source of support and funds in the 80s.

This is probably asking for a lot...but cite?

[dead0man]

The IDF are the real terrorists.

Both teh IDF and Hamas kill civilians.  The IDF targest Hamas and because of where Hamas operate from, they often kill nearby civilians.  Hamas on the other hand target civilians.

Who are the "real" terrorists?

[dead0man]

If you're fishing for excuses I guess that one works for you.

[dead0man]

It would take actual nations attacking before Israel would be in any trouble militarily.  And not just the usual suspects of Lebanon and Syria.  It would take nations that are currently "good" friends of the US changing sides.  There would be no need for US intervention if just the Hezzies attack, or even all of Lebanon.

[dead0man]

All accidents as well.  If those bastards in Hamas hadn't started this stupidity those civilians would still be alive.

[dead0man]

OK, these Palestinian medical officials who are giving the casualty figures- who are they actually?

Cousins to Saddam's Information Minister?

[dead0man]

How serious could I have been referencing Comical Ali?

[dead0man]

Just like it always is.  They can't win the PR battle.  I'd guess they don't care that much anymore.

[dead0man]

I have to say Israel deserves all this sh**t that it gets in the world. They were the ones who violated the peace treaty

cite?

[dead0man]

I have to say Israel deserves all this sh**t that it gets in the world. They were the ones who violated the peace treaty

cite?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123154826952369919.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Already cited in this thread btw, on page 10. Maybe instead of just asking for citations, you should actually read them.

That's not a cite, it's an opinion piece.  It mentions some facts about the truce, bring those up individualy and we can talk about them.

You made a claim, I asked for proof, it's not my job to prove it for you.

[dead0man]

By the way, unlike an earlier porter said, the rockets have not been landing in areas captured by Israel in 1967. They have been landing in areas which are part of Israel as much as Tel Aviv is Israel.

Considering that Hamas considers all of Israel illegitimate,  does it really matter?

I have to wonder if the Zionists would ever consent to a return to the 1947 borders?

Why would they?  Why should they?  Especially if Hamas admits it won't change anything.

[dead0man]

Clearly this is just a ruse by the Jews to trick the ignorant Pali's into going back outside to tend to their bunny rabbits and peace gardens so they will be easier targets for the evil IDF snipers to pick off.

[dead0man]

What virtue is there in a proportional response?  You'd think the people that keep dying would wise up and stop firing spit balls at the grizzly bear.  The rest of us watching this train wreck aren't coming to their aid no matter how bad the maulings are, especially if they keep up with the spit balls.

[dead0man]

So they should use diplomacy when the halfwits keep firing spit wads?  Would you?