PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

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I know Lamb is a "fake moderate" but he would have been able to contrast himself from someone like Barnette as a moderate vs radical. Nominating Fetterman takes that ability away from the Dems, because Fetterman on the issues is very similar to Bernie Sanders. While Barnette also comes off as very right wing, Republicans can afford to get more leeway with picking their nominee because of the national environment.

These are basically my exact thoughts, it is going to hard for Fetterman to play the “Barnette is an extremist” card when he’s going to be pummeled with ads calling him a socialist, which are at least somewhat true in reality.

Why I think Barnette is stronger than Oz/McCormick, despite any baggage of her being "extreme": It's becoming clear that Fetterman is going to try and run a somewhat populist localized campaign, much like Tim Ryan. He can easily attack Oz and McCormick as out of touch, out of state, rich guys who don't care about working people and who are insincere with their political flip-flopping. Can't really do that with Barnette.

Ultimately, none of this will actually matter, the types of voters who would be swayed by that messaging are gone for Democrats now and on the other hand, Fetterman actually could be uniquely weak in some of the suburban areas that Democrats need to do well in to win in Pennsylvania (not that any of this will actually matter in a year as red as this one).

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My final prediction is that Barnette wins narrowly, but I hope McCormick wins, I doubt the GE is winnable in this environment and Fetterman doesn't strike me as a particularly strong candidate, so I'd rather the least insane Republican win.

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BTW, I'd love to see James Carville right now. He's probably furious

What does Carville have anything to do with this? It seems he lives rent free in your head. Anyways while I supported Lamb too much energy was spent over this race for second place.

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I really don’t get where people get the idea that running an online campaign on Twitter is going to be successful.

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I have no idea why Fetterman insists on running this terminally online campaign when it is clear what Democrats should be running on and what their messaging should be.

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This thread is frankly the epitome of the “candidate quality” meme. Now Oz could lose, but it’d have more to do with Republicans having an underperforming election performance than any vague things about “appeal” or whatever. Also I’m not convinced a one dimensional campaign about Oz’s carpetbagging is exactly going to be successful for the Democrats. Lastly, Democrats are going to have to eventually face the attacks that many of Fetterman’s views are outside of the mainstream and letting these attacks just go unanswered while Republicans refine how they plan to present them is not exactly a wise strategy. I’d put this on the border of Tilt and Lean R, but if Republicans win the GCB by 4 or 5, they’re almost certainly winning here.

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This thread is frankly the epitome of the “candidate quality” meme. Now Oz could lose, but it’d have more to do with Republicans having an underperforming election performance than any vague things about “appeal” or whatever. Also I’m not convinced a one dimensional campaign about Oz’s carpetbagging is exactly going to be successful for the Democrats. Lastly, Democrats are going to have to eventually face the attacks that many of Fetterman’s views are outside of the mainstream and letting these attacks just go unanswered while Republicans refine how they plan to present them is not exactly a wise strategy. I’d put this on the border of Tilt and Lean R, but if Republicans win the GCB by 4 or 5, they’re almost certainly winning here.

Not really, though. Which Fetterman views are that outside of the mainstream? I would argue and counter that Oz has more extreme "views" at this point, especially on issues like abortion.

Well Oz’s ad does a good job of pointing this out, but his views on crime and healthcare, especially. Also sometimes as Sir Mohamed said the truth doesn’t matter, only what can be seen as the truth does. It doesn’t matter whether or not Fetterman supports say higher taxes on the middle class, because his political position makes it likelier that voters are more prone to believing that he does, even if it is not true.

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I don’t think I’ve ever seen a candidate be so blatantly brown-nosed towards voters as Oz is. There are much better ways to talk about inflation than film yourself in the grocery store picking up random vegetables, but he so transparently wants to seem relatable and thus goes to absurd lengths to curry favor with voters and it just looks pathetic. The campaign from both sides in this race has been pretty embarrassing with Oz’s mishaps and then the awkward ways to pile on. In any case, Oz would probably be better served giving speeches and interviews than continuing to embarrass himself. As others have said, it’s almost like he makes it too easy to mock him, but Democrats need to be careful to run on things other than mocking Oz like concrete policy proposals.

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Our former Governor had some choice words for Oz:

https://twitter.com/ZachReports/status/1573108475940507648?s=20&t=1wlJiEXQ0f...

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LMAO, apparently scamming millions of Americans is perfectly okay but as soon as some stray dog isn’t tested perfectly you vote third party. Once again showing the American obsession with dogs.

I know you’re trying to be edgy (emphasis on trying), but if you believe someone who is capable of inflicting this kind of pain/torture on sentient beings who never did any harm to him would hesitate (for non-law-enforcement-related reasons) to pull the trigger when confronted with actual human lives, you’re greatly mistaken. This may seem like a cliché to some, but things like that really are a giveaway.

If this story is true, it would confirm that Mehmet Oz is a dangerous psychopath — people vote for dangerous psychopaths all the time, yes, but only those who are good at hiding it. No one wants to know they’re voting for a psychopath.

Pigs and rats are intelligent as well. Would you feel the same way if it were one of those?

Yes, I would.

Okay, but what if it is for medical reasons? Like there is a clear benefit for this type of research…and it’s not like they are humans. If we can justify what we do in the meat industry now…we can justify this surely.

Yes, there are extreme abuses in the meat industry and in its current form, it is one of the most vile and reprehensible (legal) industries in this nation. I was just thinking about how animal abuse of animals like pigs and cows goes completely unnoticed, but given how ignorant the public is on this topic in general, seeing any type of backlash to Oz's horrendous experiments is encouraging.