Colorado 2008

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IMO, if Colorado doesn't go blue in 2008, it WILL by 2012, as the Republican grip on the Rocky Mountains continues to wane.

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I hereby announce that I will burn a 50€ bill if Colorado does NOT go Democratic in next years Presidential Election.

If CO stays Republican I will take a pic of the burning bill and put it on here.

DEAL!

You're betting against history, buddy (and I would argue, reality).  I will post a yardsign for the week after the election if Colorado goes blue, reading, "Colorado is a blue state."  I've got some yardsign hook-ups and I can get it nice and pretty.  I'll also post the pics.

I live in suburban Denver and, just to give you an idea about how passionately conservative much of the state is, if my yard isn't fire-bombed the sign will certainly be mutilated

A yard-sign with a 70$ glued on it ? Because I can make a yard sign myself without spending 70$. You need a higher stake for your bet, if not I just burn a 10€ bill ...

$70 plus the sign.  You've got yourself a deal!  The Rockies are only getting more--not less--conservative.  Where is the greatest growth of megachurches?  The exurbs of the west.  The real force of the social conservative movement in America has subtly shifted from the south (which, generally, is going to be much more competitive over the next couple of elections as easterners move south) to the west.  People proclaim the death of conservative colorado by force of californians.  What people don't get is that just as many Texans are moving it making it more conservative.

And add New Yorkers and Massachusettsians (?) and that adds to the growing Democratic population. And you're forgetting that the Democrats continue to close the gap in registration between them and the Republicans.

If Colorado was really getting more conservative, I doubt the Democrats could have made the gains there that they made in the past four years. No, I think that if it were getting more conservative, we'd get another Texas.

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Yeah, Aizen's from Castle Rock. But somehow, I have a feeling that Rawlings is from Greeley or some other far-right part of metro Denver.

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Yeah, Aizen's from Castle Rock. But somehow, I have a feeling that Rawlings is from Greeley or some other far-right part of metro Denver.

Greeley (where my cousin goes to college) is far more moderate than Castle Rock and not really considered part of the metro either. Kind of like St. Cloud and the Twin Cities metro.

I'd guess that Rawlings is from outer Jefferson or Arapahoe Counties.

I'd guess that Greeley's to Denver as Tracy/Stockton/Modesto's to the Silicon Valley-an exurb.

Either way, I still have trouble buying that he's right outside Denver.

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Colorado Springs isn't an exurb. It's the center of its own metro.

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It certainly feels like one with no buildings over 20 stories tall and a relatively quick drive from Denver. Also, Denver's metroarea is over four times the size of the Springs, despite the springs being almost the size of Denver.

The Springs have about 200k people less than Denver. Unless I'm mistaken, it's El Paso County that's similar in size to Denver.

Also, the Springs metro is far *younger* than Denver. It's still in development.

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It certainly feels like one with no buildings over 20 stories tall and a relatively quick drive from Denver. Also, Denver's metroarea is over four times the size of the Springs, despite the springs being almost the size of Denver.

The Springs have about 200k people less than Denver. Unless I'm mistaken, it's El Paso County that's similar in size to Denver.

Also, the Springs metro is far *younger* than Denver. It's still in development.

That proves my point...it really does feel like a suburb.

How does it feel like a suburb when it's got people commuting to it, and is starting to take on the problems many cities do?

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People commute from smaller suburbs to bigger ones all the time....and yeah, I guess the traffic is kinda bad, but not nearly as bad as Denver's. You can get stuck for 90 minutes in Denver... easy! Probably some damn stoners down the road are driving too slow

Yeah, but it's starting to deal with poverty and crime and whatnot... Most of the Denver/Colorado Springs suburbs don't have very much of that.

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People commute from smaller suburbs to bigger ones all the time....and yeah, I guess the traffic is kinda bad, but not nearly as bad as Denver's. You can get stuck for 90 minutes in Denver... easy! Probably some damn stoners down the road are driving too slow

Yeah, but it's starting to deal with poverty and crime and whatnot... Most of the Denver/Colorado Springs suburbs don't have very much of that.

Yeah, then again, Brandon, Fl had a lot of that and it was a suburb of Tampa. Also, the Springs is inflitrated with Meth, a rural crime problem....and like I said, the Springs is more like an exurb and votes like one too.  El Paso county is like deliverence, but with the streets paved with Gold.

No... Colorado Springs HAS suburbs, just like Denver.

For a real exurb, look at Greeley. People actually commute from there to Denver. But I doubt you'd find very many people commuting from Colorado Springs (which already boasts a growing job market) to Denver.

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People commute from smaller suburbs to bigger ones all the time....and yeah, I guess the traffic is kinda bad, but not nearly as bad as Denver's. You can get stuck for 90 minutes in Denver... easy! Probably some damn stoners down the road are driving too slow

Yeah, but it's starting to deal with poverty and crime and whatnot... Most of the Denver/Colorado Springs suburbs don't have very much of that.

Yeah, then again, Brandon, Fl had a lot of that and it was a suburb of Tampa. Also, the Springs is inflitrated with Meth, a rural crime problem....and like I said, the Springs is more like an exurb and votes like one too.  El Paso county is like deliverence, but with the streets paved with Gold.

No... Colorado Springs HAS suburbs, just like Denver.

For a real exurb, look at Greeley. People actually commute from there to Denver. But I doubt you'd find very many people commuting from Colorado Springs (which already boasts a growing job market) to Denver.

Then again, what is your definition of suburb?  Even with your definition, Laramie,WY is an exurb. There are people in my school that commute from Denver.

My definition of suburb is essentially a bedroom community (pretty much a town where a significant portion of the workforce commutes to another city i.e. Glendale, Sunnyvale)

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No... Colorado Springs HAS suburbs, just like Denver.

OK - Name one.

Calhan
Black Forest

Look around in Teller and El Paso counties.

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No... Colorado Springs HAS suburbs, just like Denver.

OK - Name one.

Calhan
Black Forest

Look around in Teller and El Paso counties.

Black Forest - BIG MAYBE
Calhan - Heck no

Other than Fountain and Wildfield, there is really no suburbs in CS. Trust me!

Hm. Maybe cause the metro's still relatively new, and as such hasn't undergone the suburban boom Louisville, Indianapolis, Nashville, etc. are going through

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Other than Fountain and Wildfield, there is really no suburbs in CS. Trust me!

Woodland Park.  Manitou Springs.  Monument.

Teller County is part of the Colo Spgs metropolitan area for a reason.

SUBURBS!

Why isn't it growing as fast as El Paso County though?