Canada General Discussion (2019-)

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Kim Campbell still piss at right wing populism for 1992?

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Kim Campell is a nasty loser!

I bet u she is still piss off at right wing populism for 1992

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Kim Campell is a nasty loser!

Better than Trump.

Because the left had a easier time beati her?

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Am I wrong in saying that the Bloc is the real winner tonight?

yes cause they don't get to back a anything.

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Impeach Trudeau !!

There is no impeachment in Canada, which means that you are supporting an unconstitutional coup against the elected Canadian government.

Vote of no confidence

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Trudeau is unbelievably based rn

If being a fascist is based then you are right . Hopefully more truckers join in and start a general strike against  this fascist wannabe

Trump was 100x the fascist that Trudeau has even been or will ever be.

why dii oh don’t trump put down the riots in 2020

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Impeach Trudeau !!

There is no impeachment in Canada, which means that you are supporting an unconstitutional coup against the elected Canadian government.

Western Canada should secede and The US should help them become their own nation

They never would, as British Columbia wouldn't follow them and the new country would be landlocked.

Yeah, Wexit has always been a nutty right-wing fantasy. Leaving an international trading bloc and actual secession from a country are two very different things. When it comes to the US relationship with Canada, it has long been policy to support a strong united Canada. I can’t think of any benefits the US would gain from Western or Quebec independence.

Relatedly, I’ve long been in favor of some kind of EU-like US-Canada open borders agreement/union. Obviously the business community and establishment would be in favor of such an arrangement. The only reason I could see it facing significant opposition from either side would be due to Canadian anti-Americanism related
fears about large numbers of Americans moving north and impacting/watering down Canadian culture.

Wexit is overated what we really need is a wexit combined with union with the united states to maintain ocean access and then annex british columbia too. Heck im not even asking for a pathway to citizenship like the illegals pouring in the southern border I'll take US territorial status like guam or puerto rico, so we can get "US Nationals" status which is basically green card status

there monarchist they arent joining the us

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https://twitter.com/vaushv/status/1493626254553018373?s=21

broken clock is right twice a day

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I have confidence Trudeau will win. The campaign has barely even started yet; once Canadians see how much like Trump Poilievre is, they'll reject him. Please, Canada, don't screw it up - you're a much better nation than we are.

Quite a few "Trump-like" premiers have been elected provincially. It won't matter if the Canadian electorate is ready to move on from Trudeau.

Polievre also leads in the category of “who do you trust more to deal with trump”

the only people in canada who believes he is trump canada edition are resist libs level voters

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why is singh caving alot when he has a lot of leverage right now?

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Liberals seem to want to tie Poilievre to Trump and wondering if others think it will work or not.  I tend to think it actually might.  I don't think you will see a massive swing, but might help push NDP down and maybe lead to a few Red Tories/fatigued Liberals crossing over but I doubt it will erase a 15 point deficit.  At most maybe a 5 point swing.  Main thing though is a lot depends how they play it as people don't have to believe it per se, just must find it plausible for it to work.  But if seems too over the top and people don't even find it plausible it won't work.

If they want to actually tie him to Trump, then they better be prepared gamble on the November (snap) election like Sunak seems to want in the UK.

Agreed although if Trump wins then might even be more effective as many assume he will be like first term while every reason to believe he will be worse as the more qualified types who restrained his worse impulses won't be part of cabinet.  Off course if Biden wins, then yeah Trump becomes irrelevant by 2025.  And as for US election way too early to say.  I would give Trump slight edge, but its like maybe 55% chance of a Trump win, 45% chance of a Biden win.

of course if trump dont win this will backfired massive

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With Liberals trying to compare Poilievre to Trump, one poll by Abacus showed approximately 1 in 6 Liberal and 1 in 7 NDP voters would vote for Trump if in US.  Who the heck would these be?  I can see why maybe some who voted for two parties in past would support Trump, but cannot understand why anyone who still votes for them would prefer Trump over Biden.  I mean a Conservative voter wanting Biden to win that I can see.  Heck even a PPC voter favouring Biden seems more plausible (albeit unlikely) than a Liberal or NDP who favours Trump.

https://x.com/thejagmeetsingh/status/1761791194680709284?s=46&t=8G_VWbBrVGy-C9PtXUjfGA I am sure it a a great idea to run against a government that u have a offical agreement with!

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I feel like immigration is the third rail of Canadian politics. No one wants to be seen as 'racist' for opposing it, even if Canadians generally oppose it.

I do agree that it will be a big issue in the next election. Poilieve will have to address the issue very carefully. He can't be seen as being racist, but he does risk losing votes to the PPC. I assume Bernier is going to focus his campaign heavily on being anti-immigration and with the Tories assured victory, a lot of people on the far right may feel like voting PPC won't split the vote.

Anecdotally I'm seeing a lot of chatter on places like Reddit about the influx of student immigration from India, and how they're not integrating very well (to put it mildly) on campuses. It's certainly fuelling a lot of racism and xenophobia.   

 

the ppc are a fringe party

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Again, who are the Liberals going to turn to? No one who could actually reverse the course for them is going to want to captain the sinking ship.

Oh yeah, it would be a total Hail Mary. Carney just took a job as an economic advisor for Starmer (not that I think Carney would be a good leader anyway). Freeland feels like a disaster in the making, she is an AWFUL communicator on the hustings. And there go the two touted successors.

Honestly? Sean Fraser. Why not. Good communicator, pretty good looking guy, awful record as immigration minister but has made some announcements as housing minister that he could actually campaign on. I could think of worse.

Fraser is in a swing seat thought he might not even be in commons after the next election.

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I feel like immigration is the third rail of Canadian politics. No one wants to be seen as 'racist' for opposing it, even if Canadians generally oppose it.

I do agree that it will be a big issue in the next election. Poilieve will have to address the issue very carefully. He can't be seen as being racist, but he does risk losing votes to the PPC. I assume Bernier is going to focus his campaign heavily on being anti-immigration and with the Tories assured victory, a lot of people on the far right may feel like voting PPC won't split the vote.

Anecdotally I'm seeing a lot of chatter on places like Reddit about the influx of student immigration from India, and how they're not integrating very well (to put it mildly) on campuses. It's certainly fuelling a lot of racism and xenophobia.   

 

the ppc are a fringe party

They got 5% of the vote last time. Whether you consider that fringe or not is up to you, but it's significant enough for the Conservatives to worry about losing votes to them.

fluke

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Again, who are the Liberals going to turn to? No one who could actually reverse the course for them is going to want to captain the sinking ship.

Oh yeah, it would be a total Hail Mary. Carney just took a job as an economic advisor for Starmer (not that I think Carney would be a good leader anyway). Freeland feels like a disaster in the making, she is an AWFUL communicator on the hustings. And there go the two touted successors.

Honestly? Sean Fraser. Why not. Good communicator, pretty good looking guy, awful record as immigration minister but has made some announcements as housing minister that he could actually campaign on. I could think of worse.

Fraser is in a swing seat thought he might not even be in commons after the next election.

what about Andrew Furey?

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Again, who are the Liberals going to turn to? No one who could actually reverse the course for them is going to want to captain the sinking ship.

Oh yeah, it would be a total Hail Mary. Carney just took a job as an economic advisor for Starmer (not that I think Carney would be a good leader anyway). Freeland feels like a disaster in the making, she is an AWFUL communicator on the hustings. And there go the two touted successors.

Honestly? Sean Fraser. Why not. Good communicator, pretty good looking guy, awful record as immigration minister but has made some announcements as housing minister that he could actually campaign on. I could think of worse.

Fraser is in a swing seat thought he might not even be in commons after the next election.

As things stand, most Liberal MPs won't be in the commons after the next election. So at this point I'm not sure what difference it makes.

Why not Andrew fuery? I think he might actually be the most popular liberal nationality

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https://twitter.com/theJagmeetSingh/status/1780329390666055745
Lol. Lmao, even.

How likely is it that Jagmeet breaks the confidence and supply agreement and an election is triggered?

As others have said, there's nothing for the NDP to gain by doing this. Conservatives have all the momentum right now, Liberals and NDP have none. Notice how Singh doesn't actually threaten to pull the plug - because that would be mutually assured destruction for both parties. The idea seems to be to slander the Liberals as corporate stooges who hate the poor and want them to die hungry and lonely in a gutter. Liberals make concessions, then the NDP claims that as a huge win for the left and votes for it. This is what happens. Every. Single. Time. So the game there is that Canadians still hate the Liberals and want them out regardless, but they might give the NDP enough credit for pushing left-wing policy and reward them with official opposition. This is a very weak strategy with a low chance of working, but at least the NDP will get some favourable policies out of it in whatever time the Liberals have left, whether or not they get credit for it. Triggering an election by contrast risks handing over an easy majority to an orthodox Harperite who's also good at playing the populist game and winning over traditional NDP voters like private sector union workers, who as polls suggest, have gone from being a three-way battleground in the last two elections to a solid Conservative vote bank.

the ndp are where they are now because of the official deal

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More generally though I wonder if the broad centre-left in the western world will start moderating on immigration rates because it's proving to be a real vote-loser. Sweden basically used to never have right-wing governments, for most of its postwar history it was governed by Social Democrats. At most you'd have a coalition led by a standard CDU-type conservative party, with its more conservative impulses moderated by centrist partners. This used to be a testament to the supposedly inherent progressivism of Swedes. But right now, Sweden is governed by a distinctly right-wing coalition that includes basically their PPC, which also happens to be the second largest party in parliament. And their rise was almost entirely to do with Sweden's high immigration rates.

Sweden is just one example, but you can take basically any European country and the same pattern emerges. In the states, I would argue that immigration is the #1 vote-winner for Trump, and should he win this November that will be why. Biden's hands are tied, even using the word "illegal" in his SOTU speech pissed off a lot of the Democrats' base. In the UK, of course, immigration was the main reason behind a Brexit vote that has objectively had awful outcomes for Britain. And in Canada, although Poilievre is significantly less anti-immigration compared to European right-wingers or Trump (it really isn't even a part of his pitch), there's no doubt that Liberal immigration policy has turned off a lot of former LPC voters.

So at some point, progressives will get the message, right? This is not a hill worth dying on. You don't have to go racist or full on close the borders like some right-wingers do, it's not one or the other. But why exactly must "high immigration" be such a key part of the modern left, when clearly all it does is give easy wins to the right?

dont compare the swedish democrats to the ppc they swedish democrats arent grifters

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Justin Trudeau needs to resign. Over many things, but especially the student visa/immigration issue. This is unacceptable. It's time for some accountability.

yeah but do the liberals really want their version of liz truss to run the party?

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what are the odds singh carpetbags somewhere else?