NV Caucus Results Thread (doors close at 2 CT)

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Morning, y'all!

For comparisons' sake with today's results, I whipped up a quick visual guide showing an overview of the 2016 and 2008 Democratic Caucuses in Nevada:

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Well I think if there's one important thing that we all bear in mind with these results, it's that it's pronounced "NE-VAD-UH" and not "NE-VAH-DUH". 

Got yelled at by a girl in my undergrad sorority for getting it wrong

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Well I think if there's one important thing that we all bear in mind with these results, it's that it's pronounced "NE-VAD-UH" and not "NE-VAH-DUH".  

Got yelled at by a girl in my undergrad sorority for getting it wrong

As an Austrian, I pronounce it "Näh-wuh-duh".

Would've been thrown out of the window at the sorority house with that

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1231313073039958023

What would one consider Steyer on the political spectrum?

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1231313073039958023

What would one consider Steyer on the political spectrum?

Campaigning as a progressive with fairly moderate policy.

Thank you, my dear

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

I'm guessing TRUMP will end Bernie & SN2903 will be the leading candidates to be mod-muted for today's primary thread?

It seems we're on route to one thread-wide mute per state

I'm going for the job myself.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

I'm muting SN2903 from the thread for several hours.

Thank you, darling.  

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

I'm muting SN2903 from the thread for several hours.

So now people get muted for hours for being against Bernie Sanders? This forum is showing it's bias. It's unfortunate that this bias is manifesting itself to oppress the voices of non-Bernie people on election day.

No.  Myself, Grassr00ts, etc. -- we're posters that aren't necessarily in Bernie Sanders' camp.  The difference is that we don't actively derail threads.  

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

WHO IS THIS BENNET CAUCUSER?!

"Mikey J. Lennet (D-NV)"

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

If Sanders is that strong with Hispanics, he easily will win NV in a GE.

But probably lose a couple of big midwest states.

Being strong with Hispanics doesn't mean you have to be weaker with white people. The only people who are repulsed by the idea that Hispanics are voting for their guy are already Trump voters. In any case, it is possible that a strong showing among minorities could bring black turnout back up in the midwest and more than offset a drop in white support.

Like I said, Moderator Ye doesn't allow legitimate on-topic points about Sanders being extreme and his success in the voting today showing the Democratic Party is extreme, but Moderator Ye will allow open season on Trump in an off-topic and trolly manner based on the standards Moderator Ye has already set. This is not the first time this Israeli has said this. He has droned on-and-on in this manner. Sad!

Atheist, for your own benefit, I suggest you stop there.  You're going down a road that you don't want to take.  

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Does Klobuchar drop out now?

I figure she stays on through Minnesota on 3/3. 

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://twitter.com/BernForBernie20/status/1231327726071619585

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

So if Bernie's numbers hold up with Latinos, does this say anything about how he may fare in Arizona's primaries? I don't believe we've seen very much polling done there.  

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

This is very slow and boring.

When can we expect to see some results on the map?

Probably not for a bit.  We're getting a decent flood of results in, but it might take a while to sort out what belongs where and put everything together.  

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Bern.

Don't give people parody ideas, Sven

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

I know it's early, but per NYT Bernie is ahead by a margin of 32.1%. Holy sh*t.

Biden: "Hang on, nobody panic.  Let's see how this plays out."  

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

I honestly don't see what makes Nevada so important. And I don't see how Sanders winning Nevada makes him the frontrunner or inevitable nominee. I'm calling out both Sanders supporters and the MSM right now.

I think it's the unexpectedly large returns that Sanders is experiencing combined with the apparent demographic breakdown of those returns.  

But I'm waiting for the dust to settle before offering my two cents (I just know that everybody wants that). 

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

You are great at imagining things, but I don't have to imagine that Bernie Sanders had a heart attack. It actually happened.

Have you ever heard of the concept of having a Vice President, just in case?

Yup, and so people have to consider if they'd rather have whoever Sanders picks as VP or Trump. And when people start thinking about that, now they have to be on board with Sanders and on board with his VP. That will lose some supporters. The chance of Sanders having a health issue during the campaign season even is very possible, and then there's a fairly good chance he wouldn't make it through the 1st Term. If he did, he's be an 83 year-old running for re-election and there would be a good chance he'd die before his second term was over because it wouldn't end until he was around 87 years-old.

I would think that Bernie's VP pick would be more of a turn-on to potential on-the-fence voters than a turn-off (in terms of having to consolidate support for both Bernie and his VP pick, should he become the nominee ofc.)  

Here's a question for you, atheist: what would you think of a Bernie/Klobuchar ticket?

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Yup, and so people have to consider if they'd rather have whoever Sanders picks as VP or Trump. And when people start thinking about that, now they have to be on board with Sanders and on board with his VP. That will lose some supporters. The chance of Sanders having a health issue during the campaign season even is very possible, and then there's a fairly good chance he wouldn't make it through the 1st Term. If he did, he's be an 83 year-old running for re-election and there would be a good chance he'd die before his second term was over because it wouldn't end until he was around 87 years-old.

The chance of Trump having health issues is probably higher than the chance of Bernie having health issues. Perhaps in one of the debates they should have an athletic competition.

I would pay money to see a Trump vs. Bernie 400m.  

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

I'm sorry, but NO CANDIDATE can spin this result as a win (except for Bernie of course)

Joe can brag about a second place finish, but he is going to lose by more than 2:1, and he pranced around whole country claiming "wait till we get to diverse states, then I will do well".....well, we are seeing him lose a 35%+ non-white state by 25 points

I'd pay money to see Joe Biden "prancing around", too.

They should play basketball

His foot was on the line, it's rigged! It's all rigged, folks!

Iowa 2.0. Kornacki reporting some precincts are having trouble incorporating early voting into their results.

Are these normal glitches for a caucus? Or is that exceptional?  (Though I guess it's important to consider that this is the first time that NV has engaged in early voting for the caucuses, so I just kinda answered my own question lol). 

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://twitter.com/ChrisBarrett/status/1231345694599811073

Sanders voted against comprehensive immigration reform, and his M4A and Green New Deal proposals are so expensive and far-fetched that they are far less likely to get passed than the plans of other candidates.  Meaning on all three of her issues, Sanders is the least likely candidate to actually enact positive change.

So I personally find a good number of Sanders' plans somewhat unrealistic, but one of Trump's biggest campaign points was also notably unrealistic (building a big beautiful wall along the Mexican border AND Mexico will pay for it).  Not the only one that was, but that one sticks out. 

All I'm saying is that I'm not sure how much "unrealistic plans" affect whole-scale voting in today's political climate, though it might be different for Republicans vs. Democrats.  

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://twitter.com/ChrisBarrett/status/1231345694599811073

Sanders voted against comprehensive immigration reform, and his M4A and Green New Deal proposals are so expensive and far-fetched that they are far less likely to get passed than the plans of other candidates.  Meaning on all three of her issues, Sanders is the least likely candidate to actually enact positive change.

So I personally find a good number of Sanders' plans somewhat unrealistic, but one of Trump's major campaign points was also unrealistic (building a big beautiful wall along the Mexican border AND Mexico will pay for it).  

All I'm saying is that I'm not sure how much "unrealistic plans" affect whole-scale voting in today's political climate, though it might be different for Republicans vs. Democrats.  

The wall though costs around 50 billion while Bernie’s plan costs more than 60 trillion . Trump actually could have got the wall passed if he wanted to but it’s just that he likes it more as a political issue rather than a policy one

Uh oh, OSR.  Are we actually disagreeing on something?

I wasn't just referring to the cost.  The zoning, the construction, the legal battles  (not to mention the "Mexico will pay for it" tagline) made it (and still make it) an unrealistically ambitious project.  

Where we find common ground is that yes, it was just as much a symbolic political posture than an actual tangible object.  

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Oh, this thread is a flame war again? Okay, back to New Vegas with me.

You think so? Seems as though things have calmed down in the past hour -- just normal Atlas back-and-forth right now. 

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Why is it taking so long to get official results from the Nevada Democratic Party?

NYT's is reporting just 3% of the vote in.

By this point in 2016 we had 75% of the vote in.

What's going on?

I'd like to think that everybody is just crossing their "t's" and dotting their "i's", but Iowa has made everybody rather uneasy.  

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Besides winning MN by 5%, what else is Klobuchar hoping for at this point?

Getting her foot in the door for a future run?

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

I literally went to sleep at 11% and here we are at just 50%?

The guy trekking the caucus results in from the desert got bitten by a rattlesnake.