2020 Presidential Election Results & Exit Polls commentary thread

[Hammy]

Since there's no recount unless it's within 200 votes, I expect Arizona to be called relatively soon.

That's a pretty strict requirement--aren't most within so many tenths of a percent?

[Hammy]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-campaign-doug-collins-georgia-recount

“During the coming recount, we are confident we will find evidence of improperly harvested ballots and other irregularities that will prove that President Trump won Georgia fairly again on his way to re-election as President. Georgians deserve a free and open process, and they will get one.”

Alarming that the person overseeing the recount has a predetermined outcome in mind. Looks like Trump is setting up to undermine the vote in Georgia

[Hammy]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-campaign-doug-collins-georgia-recount

“During the coming recount, we are confident we will find evidence of improperly harvested ballots and other irregularities that will prove that President Trump won Georgia fairly again on his way to re-election as President. Georgians deserve a free and open process, and they will get one.”

Alarming that the person overseeing the recount has a predetermined outcome in mind. Looks like Trump is setting up to undermine the vote in Georgia

Erm... no? He does not have the predetermined outcome in mind? He’s just saying that so he can get a recount which won’t change anything.

Collins is leading the recount team. All these people need to be thrown in jail when this is over.

[Hammy]

https://twitter.com/umichvoter99/status/1325895522612285442

there is no bottom...

We need internationally administered Nuremburg trials if this cancer of an administration ever ends

[Hammy]

Is anyone else getting progressively more worried about the Supreme Court throwing out the results and handing Trump the win? I thought the GOP "rigging" talk would have already died down by now but it seems like it's just becoming fiercer and more mainstream.

State legislatures and Senate are where the move will be--courts have nobody to answer to any further as they aren't elected officials.

[Hammy]

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1325947140439482368

I would be more worried about this if Barr had "found" something with Durham.

They don't have to find anything, they're going to use this to challenge the electoral votes in the Senate, which McConnell seems all in on doing

[Hammy]

Given how many states Trump's challenging, it's time to ask what I asked months ago and never got an answer to--while the courts are clearly not giving Trump victories he wants, what happens if he continues to keep the states tied up in the appeals process, and thus prevents MI/AZ/PA/GA (states that have R legislatures) from certifying their results before the December 8 deadline?

[Hammy]

Given how many states Trump's challenging, it's time to ask what I asked months ago and never got an answer to--while the courts are clearly not giving Trump victories he wants, what happens if he continues to keep the states tied up in the appeals process, and thus prevents MI/AZ/PA/GA (states that have R legislatures) from certifying their results before the December 8 deadline?

I can't speak for the other states, but in Georgia the legislature is not involved in the process:

(b) The Secretary of State shall also, upon receiving the certified returns for presidential electors, proceed to tabulate, compute, and canvass the votes cast for each slate of presidential electors and shall immediately lay them before the Governor. Not later than 5:00 P.M. on the seventeenth day following the date on which such election was conducted, the Secretary of State shall certify the votes cast for all candidates described in subparagraph (a)(4)(A) of Code Section 21-2-497 and upon all questions voted for by the electors of more than one county and shall no later than that same time lay the returns for presidential electors before the Governor. The Governor shall enumerate and ascertain the number of votes for each person so voted and shall certify the slates of presidential electors receiving the highest number of votes. The Governor shall certify the slates of presidential electors no later than 5:00 P.M. on the eighteenth day following the date on which such election was conducted. Notwithstanding the deadlines specified in this Code section, such times may be altered for just cause by an order of a judge of superior court of this state.

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2019/title-21/chapter-2/article-12/section-21-2-499/

So based on the wording Kemp at least can't just unilaterally say screw it and refuse to certify it or appoint his own electors?

[Hammy]

Source: NYTimes Swing Map

Oh look, it’s East River vs West River in South Dakota! Any South Dakota posters know why East River swung towards Trump, while West River swung towards Biden?

Hasn't this been happening in the primaries (at least for the Dems) as well, where east and west vote differently?

[Hammy]

Any news ?

What happened overnight ?

More of the same. Republicans are throwing everything they have at blocking results, courts aren't playing their game, Dems here are whining about doomers, and Arizona's keeping everyone on edge by dumping votes that increase Biden's lead followed by dumps that shrink it.

[Hammy]

Sad it came to this, but a good result none the less:

https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1326292493852422144?s=20

Stop posting suppression polls!

I mean, I totally agree Biden won, but the fact that people are still uncritically posting polls after what happened last Tuesday is pretty remarkable.

What's remarkable is that you're acting like the polls were off by more than 4-5 points on the average and that literally every poll that doesn't 100% confirm your existing view is now automatically wrong.

[Hammy]

Is Arizona ever going to finish counting?

[Hammy]

What is Donald Trump’s legal strategy at this point?

Get it all the way up to the Supreme Court and hope they side with him.

Which won't happen.

His lawsuits probably won’t even reach the circuit court level at this point.

Would there essentially have to be a success in appeals court and then a challenge for that to happen?

[Hammy]

How long should Georgia's recount take?

[Hammy]

Again, congrats to Fox and the AP on this.

Just because Biden won in the end doesn't mean the call wasn't premature.

No, it means they had solid data and understood what it meant--somebody mentioned several pages ago they made the call based on precinct-level data they had as far as where the outstanding votes were.

[Hammy]

I see Georgia's been called, is the recount completed?

[Hammy]

Get ready folks

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1327357477428600832

Are we still being naive and thinking Trump is ever going to concede?

[Hammy]

Simply amazing.

https://conservapedia.com/United_States_presidential_election,_2020

Wow, these people really do live in their own invented AU.

[Hammy]

Looking at the 3 closest states is arbitrary.  The tipping point state both times was Wisconsin and it was around the same margin both times.  

The electoral college obviously gives Republicans an advantage but it only goes so far.  Biden had a lot more electoral votes locked up so he could just focus on picking off a few Trump states.

The electoral college is literally the only thing that determines the election, so yes, looking at the closest states is actually the only objective way to determine how many votes decided the election.

If anything it shows how absurd our entire electoral system is.

[Hammy]

Why are New York and Ohio taking so long?

[Hammy]

First significant discrepancy turned up by the Georgia recount: apparently an early ballot scanner was not working properly in Floyd County, and the hand recount turned up an extra 2700 ballots.

https://twitter.com/stphnfwlr/status/1328446791361163267

Other counties have reported minimal or no discrepancies so far.

Isn't this basically the reason for requiring an audit of at least one race each election cycle, to catch if any machines aren't working properly?

[Hammy]

https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1328791926020206595

The Republican Party has been acting like a wannabe Taliban since 2010, this was the inevitable road they'd go down.

I'm surprised it took as long as it did.

[Hammy]

Well, this isn't good:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1328852354049957888

That is an understatement, he just got fired for doing his job and telling the truth.

I hope Dorsey joins the traitors in any trials we have after all this is over. Putting "this is disputed" is nothing more than virtue signaling while doing nothing to stop the damage.

[Hammy]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1328886157246156801

He still doesn't know I guess. 🤭

I always see the "more votes than people" talk regarding counties with high black population, hmm.

[Hammy]

I don't know about everyone else, but I'd say that last hour and a half was more than enough stress for the week.

what was stressful?

The idea of Wayne County not getting certified.

While I had faith that the state board would do the right thing and certify, it's not an outlandish thought to think otherwise. If the state board's two republican members did not certify, the process would get incredibly muddled and we could have been looking at weeks of litigation.

All I can say is I hope Republicans understand the sort of precedent they're setting--and that they will have no room to complain should they find themselves on the receiving end of this sort of thing should they win a state where Dems have the final say.