January 6th legal proceedings and investigations megathread

[wbrocks67]

The witness has to be massive for them to do this.

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Trump knowing the supporters were armed and letting them through to the capitol is almost so shocking yet it shouldn't be.

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Trump is always batsh*t crazier than you think he is. Holy sh*t.

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I didn't think it would be possible for Trump to be charged with something before (just bc its so hard to charge presidents with stuff), but now it has changed to a strong possibility.

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So somebody catch me up:

Trump apparently knew about the weapons and potential for violence by mid-morning on 1/6. 

Where does he go all grand theft auto?

when he gets into the car after his initial rally. he told the agents in the car he wanted to go the capitol and they told him no, so then he attacked them and tried to grab the wheel

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Let's be honest, why would she make this up? And in turn, why would he make this up to tell her this story?

It's more likely that any SS agents are likely trying to cover up for Trump.

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Let's be honest, why would she make this up? And in turn, why would he make this up to tell her this story?

It's more likely that any SS agents are likely trying to cover up for Trump.

Why would she make this up and make herself a target for the worst elements of society?

exactly, and she's no Trump hater either. She was an intern for him in 2018 and moved all the way up to this position by 2020-2021. she doesn't have an axe to grind here.

[wbrocks67]

It's entirely possible that both sides are telling the truth here.  

Hutchinson did not testify that Trump *did* these things; she testifed that she was *told* he did these things.  This is the definition of hearsay, and yes, that part of her testimony *was* hearsay.  (Most of the rest of her testimony was not; testifying to discussions that an individual took part in or directly observed is by definition *not* hearsay.)

The statements from the USSS so far have been to the effect that the agents are willing to testify that Trump didn't do these things.  This is not incompatible with what Hutchinson testified.  It's entirely possible that Trump did not in fact do these things, or did something minor, and the agent embellished the story to Hutchinson.  The agents need to answer under oath not only whether Trump did those things, but whether the agent told Hutchinson they did.

The bolded part.

Grumps, read that dude. Then read it again.

If you want him indicted, this isn't the kind of testimony that's going to get you there.  "Someone told me" doesn't cut it.  Haul in the people who witnessed it.  Now I do believe he whipped some dinner plates around, but that's not a crime.  Using ketchup is.

You called Hutchinson a liar, when all she's guilty of is repeating what someone else told her. That doesn't make her a liar.

And I agree, bring in the Secret Service agents to testify under oath. At this point, her testimony is all we've got. An agent refuting it, not under oath, does not "trump" her testimony.

I did. I appear to be correct.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-white-house-attorney-disputes-cassidy-hutchinsons-testimony/story?id=85898838

he can come and testify it under oath then.

[wbrocks67]

I mean, you definitely can tell in the video that whoever is in the back (presumably Trump) definitely does move towards the front in a fast motion (his shadow/hair gives it away), so something WAS going on in there. The agent outside the car also acts kind of squirrely during it too.

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Do we know when in September the hearings are expected to resume?

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Uh, that switchboard call on 1/6 seems extremely shady and intriguing.

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Tomorrow's hearing is postponed because of the hurricane. Not sure why that matters though.

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...I don't follow? They can easily just schedule it for next week... or the next week... or the next week

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1574877417608454146

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Democrats message at this point should essentially be - if you want Democracy to continue and Trump to be held accountable, vote to keep us the house.

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Why would this one be sealed when the other two weren't?

This kind of stuff just lets Trump control the narrative even more. Ridiculous.

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Her acting as if Jan 2024 and 2026 are equivalent somehow is ridiculous. Absolutely no reason why Jan 2024 is not doable.

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They should demand it be televised.

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Where is the DC circuit court? Why have they not ruled on the appeal yet??

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The only holdup right now is the DC Circuit appeals, right?

So say they finally get their act together and rule Trump doesn't have immunity - then he would appeal to Supreme Court, correct? And then the only holdup then is waiting for SC to rule? Do I have this correct?

[wbrocks67]

The only holdup right now is the DC Circuit appeals, right?

So say they finally get their act together and rule Trump doesn't have immunity - then he would appeal to Supreme Court, correct? And then the only holdup then is waiting for SC to rule? Do I have this correct?

Yes

So then the only question is how long SC takes to decide whether to take it up or not and if they do, how long it takes for a decision

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Am I reading that wrong though? It sounds like if it ends up in her docket later this summer, she'd rather stay and do it than delay it and continue with her foreign trip?

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FINALLY

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Jan 6th trial is back on the menu, boys

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Yeah, even if this goes to SC, there's no way they'll rule in Trump's favor. I think it may be even more realistic that they won't even hear it though.

The question though if it does go to SC will be how long they take to hear it.

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I don't know how the Supreme Court will rule, but I don't expect a decision until June. Lets be honest, like Dobbs and students loans the SC always wait until the last second

True, though even June is fine. I would imagine if that was the case, the trial would probably be scheduled then for something like August and easily finish before the election.