GA-SEN 2022 Megathread: Werewolves and Vampires

[wbrocks67]

You almost have to wonder what were these bottom barrel expectations for Walker? I mean if you're threshold was him speaking words instead of sh*tting himself on stage, then yeah I guess he "beat expectations". Which is speaks more volumes about his candidacy than anything else.

https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1581070743290654720

The media and low expectations for the GOP - name a better duo!

Also - just because Walker met your *extremely low bottom barrel expectations* does... not mean he won the debate overall! If someone is an 8, and someone who you thought would be a 1 is a 3.... you still take the 8! Why is this hard?

[wbrocks67]

Anyone ever notice this "low expectations" thing really only happens with Republican candidates? The media never gives this much benefit of the doubt to a Democrat. Do you think the media would fall over themselves praising Fetterman, for example, if he showed up to a debate and waived around his fake sheriff's badge?

Exactly. Democrat is always expected to be fine. Expectations are always on the ground for Republicans. Just look at recent debates with Tudor Dixon or even Vance. Vance literally got praised for just "sounding polished", same thing with Dixon basically.

Democrats are expected to be an 8. Republicans are expected to be a 2. Thus they always get to "outperform expectations"

[wbrocks67]

The debate was a wash. Nothing about this race changed.

Now that that's over Warnock just needs to focus on banking votes for the next three weeks so he can end this madness on November 8.

Nah, I would disagree.

The Walker clip is being passed around everywhere, it's at millions of views on Twitter now. At this point it's a net-negative for Walker. He needed to "do no harm" and he failed.

[wbrocks67]

Was pleasantly surprised by some of Walker's performance. Obviously there was a still a good deal of idiocy to go around - the solution to rising insulin prices being cheap gasoline, the prop stunt, etc- but I entered with literally zero expectations, and he held Warnock's feet to the fire incredibly effectively on the abortion issue, he declared with no reservations that he would accept any outcome in November, and he didn't completely sh*t the bed. Obviously, accepting the result of an election is not something for which someone should be given much kudos, but it was still pleasing to hear in this day and age.

Somehow I don't think one side saying the issue should be with a woman and her doctor and the other side saying "why are you aborting babies instead of baptizing them" is going to be seen at parity with most rational people

[wbrocks67]

Any article that says "Candidate X rallied their supporters" or some type of variation is dumb, and we all know that. AJC and other outlets were the same to pull the same thing with the allegations, with various "Walker backers sticking with Walker through scandal" articles.

That's not a win. No one who was still supporting Walker was going to ditch him at this point no matter what.

The fact that Walker got away with not having to answer more for the allegations was criminal, mostly thanks to the moderators.

And Walker sitting there talking about "black lives matter, all these babies are being aborted, they should be baptized" etc when HE LITERALLY PAID A WOMAN TO GET AN ABORTION is just... stunning.

[wbrocks67]

The twitterverse seems to be saying "Walker won" so that probably is a net plus for him, if at all.

The only thing that's viral on Twitter right now is the badge pic/video. So, yeah, no.

The coverage of these races is truly getting embarassing at this point. One does not "win" a debate simply for being a 2 out of 10 vs an expected 1 out of 10.

[wbrocks67]

Talking to Republican friends, they see Walker as having done extremely well and even having won the debate.

This debate didn’t change any minds and may even tighten the race more.

Well, yeah, they would say that, wouldn't they? They're not going to admit Walker did terrible.

The gaslighting around this debate is pretty incredible. I don't think I've ever seen so many "Candidate X supporters stick with Candidate X!" stories since Trump's multiple scandals.

Supporters sticking around for their candidate is ..... not a new development. Especially when most GOPers have basically gone on record saying they don't care about anything Walker does bc all they care about is control of the senate

[wbrocks67]

Was pleasantly surprised by some of Walker's performance. Obviously there was a still a good deal of idiocy to go around - the solution to rising insulin prices being cheap gasoline, the prop stunt, etc- but I entered with literally zero expectations, and he held Warnock's feet to the fire incredibly effectively on the abortion issue, he declared with no reservations that he would accept any outcome in November, and he didn't completely sh*t the bed. Obviously, accepting the result of an election is not something for which someone should be given much kudos, but it was still pleasing to hear in this day and age.

Somehow I don't think one side saying the issue should be with a woman and her doctor and the other side saying "why are you aborting babies instead of baptizing them" is going to be seen at parity with most rational people

Walker responding "You want taxpayer funding for abortion, so you're bringing the government right back into the room" upon Warnock saying the doctor's room was too small for a woman, her doctor, and the government was a fantastic rebuttal, and one that Warnock didn't even deny.

Warnock's position on abortion is something that I've always been very uncomfortable about with him. He's adopting the generic Democratic position on the issue, and I don't think I've ever heard him say that he was personally pro-life or that he didn't morally condone the practice. Yes, he's a Democrat, but he's also a pastor, and I've always struggled with how a man of God can support a practice such as that.

Because you're a pastor, you should be automatically be pro-life? Come on, that is some gross stuff. It's 2022, and there is nothing morally wrong with abortion. Stop it.

[wbrocks67]

Warnock should learn how to answer questions.  Typical politician.  

Yes.... Warnock is the one who needs to learn how to answer questions.

https://twitter.com/jeremy_m_parker/status/1581074611235495937

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1581066821058416641

[wbrocks67]

I'm not sure where the narrative is coming from that Walker was ever in danger of losing Republicans. We've literally got how many articles about the GOP "sticking with him" over the last two weeks.

NYT literally has a new story out this weekend that's called "How Republicans Came to Love Herschel Walker."

I mean come on.

No matter how Walker did in this debate, it was always going to be framed as him "exceeding expectations" because everyone needs this to be a horse race, just like in PA.

The copium though from Republicans acting as if Walker actually won when there is a video of Walker looking like an idiot pulling out a fake police badge that has millions of views on social media is... something

[wbrocks67]

Walker clearly won the debate.  He was cogent, direct, and said he would accept the results of the election.  Moderates love it!

You can keep saying it, but it doesn't make it true!

[wbrocks67]

In other news, Obama will be in GA on 10/28

https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1581283766185562113

[wbrocks67]

Watched it late and haven't read anyone else's commentary yet, but my impression is that Walker pretty much sucked. Not because he gave bad answers (he gave some bad and some good, and had some good one liners), but because he just seems like he's been hit in the head too many times. I think he managed to do no harm, which was important, but I doubt many people who were not planning to vote for him are now planning to do so. Maaaaaybe not completely crashing and burning will have exceeded the expectations of some (myself included l will have a marginal effect, but lean D remains lean D.

Respectfully, the man is currently going viral for pulling out a fake police badge. I have to disagree that he "did no harm."

[wbrocks67]

Herschel Walker: "The healthcare that you get is the healthcare that you do if you are take the insulin, but take the insulin if you eat right, because Georgia has the abortions that we don't shouldn't be having and that's why we have all this inflation."  *holds up coffee coaster*

DT, Green Line and DTC:  "Haha cry more libs"

Very cogent!

[wbrocks67]

I'm sorry - what is Herschel Walker's "record on fighting crime"? He certainly has a record WITH crime, that's for sure.

Clearly not only are pundits brains fried but so are Walker's teams

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1581400398275153920

[wbrocks67]

Was pleasantly surprised by some of Walker's performance. Obviously there was a still a good deal of idiocy to go around - the solution to rising insulin prices being cheap gasoline, the prop stunt, etc- but I entered with literally zero expectations, and he held Warnock's feet to the fire incredibly effectively on the abortion issue, he declared with no reservations that he would accept any outcome in November, and he didn't completely sh*t the bed. Obviously, accepting the result of an election is not something for which someone should be given much kudos, but it was still pleasing to hear in this day and age.

Somehow I don't think one side saying the issue should be with a woman and her doctor and the other side saying "why are you aborting babies instead of baptizing them" is going to be seen at parity with most rational people

Walker responding "You want taxpayer funding for abortion, so you're bringing the government right back into the room" upon Warnock saying the doctor's room was too small for a woman, her doctor, and the government was a fantastic rebuttal, and one that Warnock didn't even deny.

Warnock's position on abortion is something that I've always been very uncomfortable about with him. He's adopting the generic Democratic position on the issue, and I don't think I've ever heard him say that he was personally pro-life or that he didn't morally condone the practice. Yes, he's a Democrat, but he's also a pastor, and I've always struggled with how a man of God can support a practice such as that.

Because you're a pastor, you should be automatically be pro-life? Come on, that is some gross stuff. It's 2022, and there is nothing morally wrong with abortion. Stop it.

You need to stop it. Don't expect me to bend to your desires on this issue. I've been very clear about my stances with regards to abortion policy, but I'll reiterate my stances again, and note how they are at odds with those of the Democrats. I don't support taxpayer funding of abortion (which Warnock does), I support a 15-week ban on the practice (which Warnock and other Democrats don't), and I support strictures such as parental consent, parental notification, and licensing/safety requirements for abortion providers, as well as a mandatory waiting period.

I am a strong supporter of the Hyde Amendment. I don't think abortion should be entirely banned, and I also support the exceptions for rape, incest, and life/health of the mother. But I think the Democrats have become too extreme on this issue, and I surely don't support the Women's Health Protection Act. All of this weighs on how I decide to vote, and who I decide to vote for. On this issue, I don't agree with Warnock.

Yes, abortion is morally wrong, and yes, it should be permitted, at least to a certain extent, but not without limits, and it should not be regarded with praise.

I agree on this.

At the end of the day, abortion is mainly a medical/scientific issue.

While morals def have a role in the discussion Republicans sort of abused the morals of “killing” a fetus. They use this to paint anyone who disagrees with them as heartless.

On the flip side, democrats have made abortion synonymous with women’s rights and have used that to say if you disagree with our position, then you don’t support women and are sexist.

Very few countries have no restrictions on abortion but most countries have basic guidelines to allow it in most cases. Relative to the world, both sides are quite extreme on this issue which imo has gotten way more attention than it needs or deserves. Both sides just use it to get attention and messaging.

Again, I don’t mean this in the wrong way, but I feel like abortion doenst rise to the level of issues such as the economy/inflation, climate change, energy, taxes, general healthcare, gun violence+crime, LGBTQ rights, democracy, ect in terms of actually shaping our society. Yet it sucks up so much Oxygen.

And it's likely because you're a man.

Why is so hard for people to grasp that abortion rights is not just about abortion - it's about a fundamental right of a person (women) to make a CHOICE about THEIR body?! That is the point! It is a women's right's issue. If you disagree with the right to choose, or Roe v Wade, then you're saying a woman doesn't have a *RIGHT* to what happens to *HER* body.

So yes, for WOMEN, it's likely a little more important than taxes for gods sake. Jesus christ, this should not have to be explained still.

[wbrocks67]

Was pleasantly surprised by some of Walker's performance. Obviously there was a still a good deal of idiocy to go around - the solution to rising insulin prices being cheap gasoline, the prop stunt, etc- but I entered with literally zero expectations, and he held Warnock's feet to the fire incredibly effectively on the abortion issue, he declared with no reservations that he would accept any outcome in November, and he didn't completely sh*t the bed. Obviously, accepting the result of an election is not something for which someone should be given much kudos, but it was still pleasing to hear in this day and age.

Somehow I don't think one side saying the issue should be with a woman and her doctor and the other side saying "why are you aborting babies instead of baptizing them" is going to be seen at parity with most rational people

Walker responding "You want taxpayer funding for abortion, so you're bringing the government right back into the room" upon Warnock saying the doctor's room was too small for a woman, her doctor, and the government was a fantastic rebuttal, and one that Warnock didn't even deny.

Warnock's position on abortion is something that I've always been very uncomfortable about with him. He's adopting the generic Democratic position on the issue, and I don't think I've ever heard him say that he was personally pro-life or that he didn't morally condone the practice. Yes, he's a Democrat, but he's also a pastor, and I've always struggled with how a man of God can support a practice such as that.

Because you're a pastor, you should be automatically be pro-life? Come on, that is some gross stuff. It's 2022, and there is nothing morally wrong with abortion. Stop it.

You need to stop it. Don't expect me to bend to your desires on this issue. I've been very clear about my stances with regards to abortion policy, but I'll reiterate my stances again, and note how they are at odds with those of the Democrats. I don't support taxpayer funding of abortion (which Warnock does), I support a 15-week ban on the practice (which Warnock and other Democrats don't), and I support strictures such as parental consent, parental notification, and licensing/safety requirements for abortion providers, as well as a mandatory waiting period.

I am a strong supporter of the Hyde Amendment. I don't think abortion should be entirely banned, and I also support the exceptions for rape, incest, and life/health of the mother. But I think the Democrats have become too extreme on this issue, and I surely don't support the Women's Health Protection Act. All of this weighs on how I decide to vote, and who I decide to vote for. On this issue, I don't agree with Warnock.

Yes, abortion is morally wrong, and yes, it should be permitted, at least to a certain extent, but not without limits, and it should not be regarded with praise.

Republicans *literally* want to ban abortion outright - and in many cases, with no exceptions - and Democrats are the ones who are extreme on this issue? For wanting to give women the right to choose what happens to their body, over a politician? Are you kidding me?

[wbrocks67]

Was pleasantly surprised by some of Walker's performance. Obviously there was a still a good deal of idiocy to go around - the solution to rising insulin prices being cheap gasoline, the prop stunt, etc- but I entered with literally zero expectations, and he held Warnock's feet to the fire incredibly effectively on the abortion issue, he declared with no reservations that he would accept any outcome in November, and he didn't completely sh*t the bed. Obviously, accepting the result of an election is not something for which someone should be given much kudos, but it was still pleasing to hear in this day and age.

Somehow I don't think one side saying the issue should be with a woman and her doctor and the other side saying "why are you aborting babies instead of baptizing them" is going to be seen at parity with most rational people

Walker responding "You want taxpayer funding for abortion, so you're bringing the government right back into the room" upon Warnock saying the doctor's room was too small for a woman, her doctor, and the government was a fantastic rebuttal, and one that Warnock didn't even deny.

Warnock's position on abortion is something that I've always been very uncomfortable about with him. He's adopting the generic Democratic position on the issue, and I don't think I've ever heard him say that he was personally pro-life or that he didn't morally condone the practice. Yes, he's a Democrat, but he's also a pastor, and I've always struggled with how a man of God can support a practice such as that.

Because you're a pastor, you should be automatically be pro-life? Come on, that is some gross stuff. It's 2022, and there is nothing morally wrong with abortion. Stop it.

You need to stop it. Don't expect me to bend to your desires on this issue. I've been very clear about my stances with regards to abortion policy, but I'll reiterate my stances again, and note how they are at odds with those of the Democrats. I don't support taxpayer funding of abortion (which Warnock does), I support a 15-week ban on the practice (which Warnock and other Democrats don't), and I support strictures such as parental consent, parental notification, and licensing/safety requirements for abortion providers, as well as a mandatory waiting period.

I am a strong supporter of the Hyde Amendment. I don't think abortion should be entirely banned, and I also support the exceptions for rape, incest, and life/health of the mother. But I think the Democrats have become too extreme on this issue, and I surely don't support the Women's Health Protection Act. All of this weighs on how I decide to vote, and who I decide to vote for. On this issue, I don't agree with Warnock.

Yes, abortion is morally wrong, and yes, it should be permitted, at least to a certain extent, but not without limits, and it should not be regarded with praise.

Republicans *literally* want to ban abortion outright - and in many cases, with no exceptions - and Democrats are the ones who are extreme on this issue? For wanting to give women the right to choose what happens to their body, over a politician? Are you kidding me?

I've said before that both parties are extreme on the issue. I am not comfortable with Democrats who want for this practice to be permitted to the extent that they do, nor do I think abortion should be entirely subscribed. And I'll say that I'm voting for a number of Democratic candidates in spite of the abortion issue. Most voters are capable of thinking and voting on a variety of issues, and not just on abortion.

But you keep on conflating these things as if they are equal. Republicans wanting to ban it completely outright versus Democrats who are clearly more flexible on the issue given the state (whether it's a certain amount week ban or what) are not the same, and yet you are treating those sides as equal with a heavy hand of "both sides ism."

Taking away a right completely and giving a little too much leeway into "freedom", as you seem to see it, are two things that are not the same in any aspect.

[wbrocks67]

Apparently there is another debate tonight but Walker is not going?

[wbrocks67]

Katie Hobbs doesn't debate > death knell for her campaign, everyone obsesses over it
Walker refuses to debate, has an empty podium tonight > meh, whatever!

Anyway... this has shades of the Ossoff debate now

https://twitter.com/ReverendWarnock/status/1581782406885167104

[wbrocks67]

Meanwhile...

https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1581792172697096193

[wbrocks67]

https://twitter.com/ccadelago/status/1581804043655352320

[wbrocks67]

Absolutely brain dead jfc

https://mobile.twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1581792594253651969



"they can call me whenever they wantme  and I have the authority to do things for them"

So like a regular citizen.

Anyone who had Walker "winning" that debate on Friday should be ashamed.

[wbrocks67]

This video is... something

https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1581968438809223169

[wbrocks67]

Oh

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1582004374238265344