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Big Abraham
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« on: April 06, 2021, 03:46:29 PM »

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

Being systematically discriminated against in college applications doesn't count?
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Big Abraham
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2021, 08:07:13 PM »
« Edited: April 06, 2021, 08:10:49 PM by Big Abraham »

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

Being systematically discriminated against in college applications doesn't count?

Not surprised you're perpetuating this reactionary myth.


Not sure how it's a myth when white students have literally been passed up in favor of black students with lower test scores and GPAs. Even after controlling for grades, test scores, family background, and athletic status, blacks are still more than ten times as likely to be accepted at an American university than whites, and fifteen times more likely than Asians.

Women and people of color also have a large swath of scholarships available to them at their disposal, solely on account of their sex and race, whereas men and whites do not have these same benefits.
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Big Abraham
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2021, 09:26:16 PM »

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

Being systematically discriminated against in college applications doesn't count?

Not surprised you're perpetuating this reactionary myth.


Not sure how it's a myth when white students have literally been passed up in favor of black students with lower test scores and GPAs. Even after controlling for grades, test scores, family background, and athletic status, blacks are still more than ten times as likely to be accepted at an American university than whites, and fifteen times more likely than Asians.

Women and people of color also have a large swath of scholarships available to them at their disposal, solely on account of their sex and race, whereas men and whites do not have these same benefits.

Yeah, we’re gonna need a citation on that one.

"Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and found what looks like different standards for different racial groups. They calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African-Americans who got 1100. Whites were three times, Hispanics six times, and blacks more than 15 times as likely to be accepted at a US university as Asian-Americans."
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Big Abraham
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2021, 09:59:45 PM »

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

Being systematically discriminated against in college applications doesn't count?

Not surprised you're perpetuating this reactionary myth.


Not sure how it's a myth when white students have literally been passed up in favor of black students with lower test scores and GPAs. Even after controlling for grades, test scores, family background, and athletic status, blacks are still more than ten times as likely to be accepted at an American university than whites, and fifteen times more likely than Asians.

Women and people of color also have a large swath of scholarships available to them at their disposal, solely on account of their sex and race, whereas men and whites do not have these same benefits.

Yeah, we’re gonna need a citation on that one.

"Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and found what looks like different standards for different racial groups. They calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African-Americans who got 1100. Whites were three times, Hispanics six times, and blacks more than 15 times as likely to be accepted at a US university as Asian-Americans."

1. Thomas Espenshade himself has clearly stated that he doesn't believe that data constitutes "smoking gun" evidence for undue discrimination against Asian students because the study is entirely based on test scores, which is only one aspect of the college admissions process and one that most universities are placing less and less emphasis on.

2. That study only examines a small group of elite private universities. The disparity in test scores and acceptance rates would be much smaller if we were looking at American universities in general, as your original comment suggested.

Not to mention that that study is almost 25 years old at this point.

I mean it just seems like you're trying to nitpick here. Yes, test scores are "only one" aspect of the admission process, but it's a pretty damn big one. Along with GPA scores (which, as I mentioned before, have also shown discrimination against Asians and whites), it's the single biggest factor that determines a student's merit. And like I said, that's even after controlling for family background and athletic status as well.

And "elite private universities" are the most prestigious in the country, arguably in the world, no? Therefore, if there is discrimination in applications based on race in those instances, that's obviously something much more "institutional." If we were only looking at a couple of community colleges, it might be easier to sweep this under the rug. But if it appears to be a problem at all the Ivies, Georgetown, MIT, etc., then we can extrapolate some important information from that.

I'm not saying that "anti-whiteness" or anything like that is anything like it's been made out to be by some right-wing loons, nor is it even on par with discrimination against other races in other instances. But to act like "mean things on twitter" is the only thing that white people have to deal with when it comes to race-based discrimination is just ridiculous.
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