What is up with the Biden hysteria?

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My honest opinion is that most of the posters on this forum are trying to convince themselves something that they know isn't true "Biden looks like an almost lock"!. They know deep down Trump is a ruthless campaigner who will find a way to win.

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What is this "hysteria" of which you speak of?

Is this what Bernie Busters like yourself suffer from?

Many posters speak like it is inevitable that Biden will prevail. Nothing is guaranteed for either side.

But you speak like Trump is inevitable/

Incumbents win 90% of the time. That's reality. There's a reason only 3 incumbents who were elected have lost in the last 100 years.

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Literally all polls indicate Biden is leading, and has been for the past year. Your assertion that Trump is favored by any indication as of now is much closer to hysteria.

Someone's in denial, but the polls! Hillary is leading! Biden is leading!

August 2016: "Hillary could win Utah, Trump is finished!."

October 2016: "Trump is finished after that tape! Finished! Hillary is up 10 in the latest poll!."

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Literally all polls indicate Biden is leading, and has been for the past year. Your assertion that Trump is favored by any indication as of now is much closer to hysteria.

Someone's in denial.

Glad to see you are finally engaging in some self reflection, SN.

I think most of the posters on this forum should have a therapist  ready to schedule an appointment on 11.4

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Literally all polls indicate Biden is leading, and has been for the past year. Your assertion that Trump is favored by any indication as of now is much closer to hysteria.

Someone's in denial.

He is just saying he is favored, not that Biden is a lock to win.

Favored means nothing esp. when you're a weak challenger. People are lying to the pollsters again.

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Literally all polls indicate Biden is leading, and has been for the past year. Your assertion that Trump is favored by any indication as of now is much closer to hysteria.

Someone's in denial.

He is just saying he is favored, not that Biden is a lock to win.

Favored means nothing esp. when you're a weak challenger. People are lying to the pollsters again.

Any evidence of this or do you just hope desperately that this is the case lol. If Biden is such a weak candidate I see no reason why people would lie about supporting him.

Societal pressure. People are bombared with liberal BS almost 24/7: Media, elite universities, friends, family. It's not easy to publicly say you support Donald Trump even in 2020. I believe suburban men especially may feel some pressure from their wives but I see Trump outperforming the polls with college educated whites just like 2016. Most people still vote their pocketbooks and Trump is a known quantity who built a great economy. People don't like change fundamentally.  I also think this non stop protest will scare a lot of whites. They support peoples right to protest but they don't believe in any of this defund the police nonsense. People support their local police like 80% among all minority groups.

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Pear and SN are the hysterical ones here. Like Biden’s not a lock, but it’s quite clear Trump is not in a good position for an incumbent. Certainly weaker then both Obama and Dubya.

He's a better position than HW and about on par with W maybe slightly worse. HW was a weak incumbent and Clinton was a great challenger. None of those dynamics here. Trump may not be a "strong incumbent" but he def ain't weak especially in terms of political skill.

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Are you not tired of our terrible leadership in the middle of crises? Are you not tired of rich people running our government? Are you not tired of gridlock and the economic status quo of Reaganomics? Do you really think with a straight face after the chaos of the last few months, Trump is what we need going forward?

I have reservations that Joe Biden is the true change agent but one thing is for sure. He’s far better on policy and more competent than Trump.

Democrats are more for the rich than Trump is. Most people that I know that are Democrats are rich nowadays. The party really isn't a working class party anymore. Democrats base is highly educated, upper middle class voters now. Trump is the only President in my lifetime to stand up to China and to literally focus on bringing jobs back. He said America first. It sounds silly to a lot but those were powerful words to me and I am sure a lot of Americans, not just Republicans. He did get 12% of Bernie voters.

You honestly think Joe Biden who has been in office for 50 years can change the gridlock in DC and can be an agent of change? It just sounds ridiculous. Trump is a shake up to the system. It's a fact. You may not like that shake up but he has shaken up the system which is why so many people can't stand him. Democrats pretend to be for change when they aren't. Hillary was literally the most status quo candidate to ever run for office probably.

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Are you not tired of our terrible leadership in the middle of crises? Are you not tired of rich people running our government? Are you not tired of gridlock and the economic status quo of Reaganomics? Do you really think with a straight face after the chaos of the last few months, Trump is what we need going forward?

I have reservations that Joe Biden is the true change agent but one thing is for sure. He’s far better on policy and more competent than Trump.

Democrats are more for the rich than Trump is. Most people that I know that are Democrats are rich nowadays. The party really isn't a working class party anymore. Democrats base is highly educated, upper middle class voters now. Trump is the only President in my lifetime to stand up to China and to literally focus on bringing jobs back. He said America first. It sounds silly to a lot but those were powerful words to me and I am sure a lot of Americans, not just Republicans. He did get 12% of Bernie voters.

Lol is that why Trump gave the rich tax cuts?

That was Paul Ryan's bill. Trump's main focus of his 2016 campaign was not tax cuts it was to bring jobs back. The tax cuts were too much in favor of the wealthy. I actually agree with you but also did help middle class people to some degree and did create economic growth.

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Are you not tired of our terrible leadership in the middle of crises? Are you not tired of rich people running our government? Are you not tired of gridlock and the economic status quo of Reaganomics? Do you really think with a straight face after the chaos of the last few months, Trump is what we need going forward?

I have reservations that Joe Biden is the true change agent but one thing is for sure. He’s far better on policy and more competent than Trump.

Democrats are more for the rich than Trump is. Most people that I know that are Democrats are rich nowadays. The party really isn't a working class party anymore. Democrats base is highly educated, upper middle class voters now. Trump is the only President in my lifetime to stand up to China and to literally focus on bringing jobs back. He said America first. It sounds silly to a lot but those were powerful words to me and I am sure a lot of Americans, not just Republicans. He did get 12% of Bernie voters.

You honestly think Joe Biden who has been in office for 50 years can change the gridlock in DC and can be an agent of change? It just sounds ridiculous. Trump is a shake up to the system. It's a fact. You may not like that shake up but he has shaken up the system which is why so many people can't stand him. Democrats pretend to be for change when they aren't. Hillary was literally the most status quo candidate to ever run for office probably.

Clinton’s voters were lower income on average than Trump’s. Trump does not represent the working class, only white working class.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/12/29/places-that-backed-trump-skewed-poor-voters-who-backed-trump-skewed-wealthier/%3foutputType=amp

Hillary won Bloomfield Twp. in Michigan and was the first Democrat to win that township I think ever. It's an upper class area. Hillary did much better than Obama with upper income voters and also Bill Clinton.

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Are you not tired of our terrible leadership in the middle of crises? Are you not tired of rich people running our government? Are you not tired of gridlock and the economic status quo of Reaganomics? Do you really think with a straight face after the chaos of the last few months, Trump is what we need going forward?

I have reservations that Joe Biden is the true change agent but one thing is for sure. He’s far better on policy and more competent than Trump.

Democrats are more for the rich than Trump is. Most people that I know that are Democrats are rich nowadays. The party really isn't a working class party anymore. Democrats base is highly educated, upper middle class voters now. Trump is the only President in my lifetime to stand up to China and to literally focus on bringing jobs back. He said America first. It sounds silly to a lot but those were powerful words to me and I am sure a lot of Americans, not just Republicans. He did get 12% of Bernie voters.

You honestly think Joe Biden who has been in office for 50 years can change the gridlock in DC and can be an agent of change? It just sounds ridiculous. Trump is a shake up to the system. It's a fact. You may not like that shake up but he has shaken up the system which is why so many people can't stand him. Democrats pretend to be for change when they aren't. Hillary was literally the most status quo candidate to ever run for office probably.

Outside of the first two lines, I don’t really disagree. I have reservations on Biden (though my gridlock comment was more directed at Spark in particular since he presumably wants a Democratic Senate based on his avatar color) and I do question whether he is the needed shake up or strong enough on trade (where I at least occasionally agree with Trump if you want to be nice) or even issues like financial regulation. But Trump tried to throw 30 million people off their health care, and in his first year passed a multi trillion dollar tax cut, left us woefully unprepared for a pandemic that will likely result in extending an admittedly unavoidable recession, is guilty of corruption with regards to his businesses, and has lacked competence in the aftermath of Floyd’s death. Joe Biden has not.

Biden doesn't have it though. He clearly is getting senile. Just look at all the gaffes he is making and he is slurring his speech a lot. He didn't used to do that that much. This isn't Joe Biden 2012 who at least had it somewhat on the ball. On health care, Trump should have come up with his own bill and not just argued for overturning Obamacare he should have had his own plan so that was a mistake. Trump is going to have the economic argument that he built a great economy or at least accelerated an already existing good economy, was hampered by the virus and now it is coming back. That is a powerful argument. The 401ks going up and retirement accounts going up should be enough for him to win Florida (lot of old people) so it will come down the Midwest where Trump again has a strong argument on the economy. I don't think Biden is a strong enough candidate to win.

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Are you not tired of our terrible leadership in the middle of crises? Are you not tired of rich people running our government? Are you not tired of gridlock and the economic status quo of Reaganomics? Do you really think with a straight face after the chaos of the last few months, Trump is what we need going forward?

I have reservations that Joe Biden is the true change agent but one thing is for sure. He’s far better on policy and more competent than Trump.

Democrats are more for the rich than Trump is. Most people that I know that are Democrats are rich nowadays. The party really isn't a working class party anymore. Democrats base is highly educated, upper middle class voters now. Trump is the only President in my lifetime to stand up to China and to literally focus on bringing jobs back. He said America first. It sounds silly to a lot but those were powerful words to me and I am sure a lot of Americans, not just Republicans. He did get 12% of Bernie voters.

You honestly think Joe Biden who has been in office for 50 years can change the gridlock in DC and can be an agent of change? It just sounds ridiculous. Trump is a shake up to the system. It's a fact. You may not like that shake up but he has shaken up the system which is why so many people can't stand him. Democrats pretend to be for change when they aren't. Hillary was literally the most status quo candidate to ever run for office probably.

Outside of the first two lines, I don’t really disagree. I have reservations on Biden (though my gridlock comment was more directed at Spark in particular since he presumably wants a Democratic Senate based on his avatar color) and I do question whether he is the needed shake up or strong enough on trade (where I at least occasionally agree with Trump if you want to be nice) or even issues like financial regulation. But Trump tried to throw 30 million people off their health care, and in his first year passed a multi trillion dollar tax cut, left us woefully unprepared for a pandemic that will likely result in extending an admittedly unavoidable recession, is guilty of corruption with regards to his businesses, and has lacked competence in the aftermath of Floyd’s death. Joe Biden has not.

Biden doesn't have it though. He clearly is getting senile. Just look at all the gaffes he is making and he is slurring his speech a lot. He didn't used to do that that much. This isn't Joe Biden 2012 who at least had it somewhat on the ball. On health care, Trump should have come up with his own bill and not just argued for overturning Obamacare he should have had his own plan so that was a mistake. Trump is going to have the economic argument that he built a great economy or at least accelerated an already existing good economy, was hampered by the virus and now it is coming back. That is a powerful argument. The 401ks going up and retirement accounts going up should be enough for him to win Florida (lot of old people) so it will come down the Midwest where Trump again has a strong argument on the economy. I don't think Biden is a strong enough candidate to win.

Must suck to be down 14 to someone who is senile 😂😂😂

He's not down 14 more like 4-6 but keep thinking that. Trump is going to turn this around and win. I love the complacency and overconfidence of democrats right now

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Are you not tired of our terrible leadership in the middle of crises? Are you not tired of rich people running our government? Are you not tired of gridlock and the economic status quo of Reaganomics? Do you really think with a straight face after the chaos of the last few months, Trump is what we need going forward?

I have reservations that Joe Biden is the true change agent but one thing is for sure. He’s far better on policy and more competent than Trump.

Democrats are more for the rich than Trump is. Most people that I know that are Democrats are rich nowadays. The party really isn't a working class party anymore. Democrats base is highly educated, upper middle class voters now. Trump is the only President in my lifetime to stand up to China and to literally focus on bringing jobs back. He said America first. It sounds silly to a lot but those were powerful words to me and I am sure a lot of Americans, not just Republicans. He did get 12% of Bernie voters.

You honestly think Joe Biden who has been in office for 50 years can change the gridlock in DC and can be an agent of change? It just sounds ridiculous. Trump is a shake up to the system. It's a fact. You may not like that shake up but he has shaken up the system which is why so many people can't stand him. Democrats pretend to be for change when they aren't. Hillary was literally the most status quo candidate to ever run for office probably.

Outside of the first two lines, I don’t really disagree. I have reservations on Biden (though my gridlock comment was more directed at Spark in particular since he presumably wants a Democratic Senate based on his avatar color) and I do question whether he is the needed shake up or strong enough on trade (where I at least occasionally agree with Trump if you want to be nice) or even issues like financial regulation. But Trump tried to throw 30 million people off their health care, and in his first year passed a multi trillion dollar tax cut, left us woefully unprepared for a pandemic that will likely result in extending an admittedly unavoidable recession, is guilty of corruption with regards to his businesses, and has lacked competence in the aftermath of Floyd’s death. Joe Biden has not.

Biden doesn't have it though. He clearly is getting senile. Just look at all the gaffes he is making and he is slurring his speech a lot. He didn't used to do that that much. This isn't Joe Biden 2012 who at least had it somewhat on the ball. On health care, Trump should have come up with his own bill and not just argued for overturning Obamacare he should have had his own plan so that was a mistake. Trump is going to have the economic argument that he built a great economy or at least accelerated an already existing good economy, was hampered by the virus and now it is coming back. That is a powerful argument. The 401ks going up and retirement accounts going up should be enough for him to win Florida (lot of old people) so it will come down the Midwest where Trump again has a strong argument on the economy. I don't think Biden is a strong enough candidate to win.

Must suck to be down 14 to someone who is senile 😂😂😂

He's not down 14 more like 4-6 but keep thinking that. Trump is going to turn this around and win. I love the complacency and overconfidence of democrats right now

Even if Biden is up 20 points by November, I would swim naked through a lake full of glass shards to vote for him, as I hate Trump with the passion of a thousand sun's. No complacency here.

You're a hardcore democrat. You honestly think Biden will inspire casual voters? Talk about delusion. Biden is the next John Kerry. Period.

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It's true incumbents usually win, but when you think about it after three two termers in a row we are kind of due for a one term President/defeated incumbent.

Doesn't work that way. You need a strong challenger to beat an incumbent: FDR, Clinton, Reagan. Biden is NOT that. For the millionth time. Trump will find a way to win. He is ruthless at campaigning.

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Are you not tired of our terrible leadership in the middle of crises? Are you not tired of rich people running our government? Are you not tired of gridlock and the economic status quo of Reaganomics? Do you really think with a straight face after the chaos of the last few months, Trump is what we need going forward?

I have reservations that Joe Biden is the true change agent but one thing is for sure. He’s far better on policy and more competent than Trump.

Democrats are more for the rich than Trump is. Most people that I know that are Democrats are rich nowadays. The party really isn't a working class party anymore. Democrats base is highly educated, upper middle class voters now. Trump is the only President in my lifetime to stand up to China and to literally focus on bringing jobs back. He said America first. It sounds silly to a lot but those were powerful words to me and I am sure a lot of Americans, not just Republicans. He did get 12% of Bernie voters.

You honestly think Joe Biden who has been in office for 50 years can change the gridlock in DC and can be an agent of change? It just sounds ridiculous. Trump is a shake up to the system. It's a fact. You may not like that shake up but he has shaken up the system which is why so many people can't stand him. Democrats pretend to be for change when they aren't. Hillary was literally the most status quo candidate to ever run for office probably.

Outside of the first two lines, I don’t really disagree. I have reservations on Biden (though my gridlock comment was more directed at Spark in particular since he presumably wants a Democratic Senate based on his avatar color) and I do question whether he is the needed shake up or strong enough on trade (where I at least occasionally agree with Trump if you want to be nice) or even issues like financial regulation. But Trump tried to throw 30 million people off their health care, and in his first year passed a multi trillion dollar tax cut, left us woefully unprepared for a pandemic that will likely result in extending an admittedly unavoidable recession, is guilty of corruption with regards to his businesses, and has lacked competence in the aftermath of Floyd’s death. Joe Biden has not.

Biden doesn't have it though. He clearly is getting senile. Just look at all the gaffes he is making and he is slurring his speech a lot. He didn't used to do that that much. This isn't Joe Biden 2012 who at least had it somewhat on the ball. On health care, Trump should have come up with his own bill and not just argued for overturning Obamacare he should have had his own plan so that was a mistake. Trump is going to have the economic argument that he built a great economy or at least accelerated an already existing good economy, was hampered by the virus and now it is coming back. That is a powerful argument. The 401ks going up and retirement accounts going up should be enough for him to win Florida (lot of old people) so it will come down the Midwest where Trump again has a strong argument on the economy. I don't think Biden is a strong enough candidate to win.

Must suck to be down 14 to someone who is senile 😂😂😂

He's not down 14 more like 4-6 but keep thinking that. Trump is going to turn this around and win. I love the complacency and overconfidence of democrats right now

Even if Biden is up 20 points by November, I would swim naked through a lake full of glass shards to vote for him, as I hate Trump with the passion of a thousand sun's. No complacency here.

You're a hardcore democrat. You honestly think Biden will inspire casual voters? Talk about delusion. Biden is the next John Kerry. Period.

Seems like quite an improvement from when he was the next Dukakis last week. I notice that Trump's guaranteed vote share has also dropped from 47% to 46.5% in your opinion so it must be going very well for Biden at the moment.

Dukakis and Kerry were both awful. What is the difference? Biden is ahead right now but it's June. It means nothing. Kerry was ahead too. Romney was ahead too.

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Are you not tired of our terrible leadership in the middle of crises? Are you not tired of rich people running our government? Are you not tired of gridlock and the economic status quo of Reaganomics? Do you really think with a straight face after the chaos of the last few months, Trump is what we need going forward?

I have reservations that Joe Biden is the true change agent but one thing is for sure. He’s far better on policy and more competent than Trump.

Democrats are more for the rich than Trump is. Most people that I know that are Democrats are rich nowadays. The party really isn't a working class party anymore. Democrats base is highly educated, upper middle class voters now. Trump is the only President in my lifetime to stand up to China and to literally focus on bringing jobs back. He said America first. It sounds silly to a lot but those were powerful words to me and I am sure a lot of Americans, not just Republicans. He did get 12% of Bernie voters.

You honestly think Joe Biden who has been in office for 50 years can change the gridlock in DC and can be an agent of change? It just sounds ridiculous. Trump is a shake up to the system. It's a fact. You may not like that shake up but he has shaken up the system which is why so many people can't stand him. Democrats pretend to be for change when they aren't. Hillary was literally the most status quo candidate to ever run for office probably.

Outside of the first two lines, I don’t really disagree. I have reservations on Biden (though my gridlock comment was more directed at Spark in particular since he presumably wants a Democratic Senate based on his avatar color) and I do question whether he is the needed shake up or strong enough on trade (where I at least occasionally agree with Trump if you want to be nice) or even issues like financial regulation. But Trump tried to throw 30 million people off their health care, and in his first year passed a multi trillion dollar tax cut, left us woefully unprepared for a pandemic that will likely result in extending an admittedly unavoidable recession, is guilty of corruption with regards to his businesses, and has lacked competence in the aftermath of Floyd’s death. Joe Biden has not.

Biden doesn't have it though. He clearly is getting senile. Just look at all the gaffes he is making and he is slurring his speech a lot. He didn't used to do that that much. This isn't Joe Biden 2012 who at least had it somewhat on the ball. On health care, Trump should have come up with his own bill and not just argued for overturning Obamacare he should have had his own plan so that was a mistake. Trump is going to have the economic argument that he built a great economy or at least accelerated an already existing good economy, was hampered by the virus and now it is coming back. That is a powerful argument. The 401ks going up and retirement accounts going up should be enough for him to win Florida (lot of old people) so it will come down the Midwest where Trump again has a strong argument on the economy. I don't think Biden is a strong enough candidate to win.

Must suck to be down 14 to someone who is senile 😂😂😂

He's not down 14 more like 4-6 but keep thinking that. Trump is going to turn this around and win. I love the complacency and overconfidence of democrats right now

Even if Biden is up 20 points by November, I would swim naked through a lake full of glass shards to vote for him, as I hate Trump with the passion of a thousand sun's. No complacency here.

You're a hardcore democrat. You honestly think Biden will inspire casual voters? Talk about delusion. Biden is the next John Kerry. Period.

Seems like quite an improvement from when he was the next Dukakis last week. I notice that Trump's guaranteed vote share has also dropped from 47% to 46.5% in your opinion so it must be going very well for Biden at the moment.

Dukakis and Kerry were both awful. What is the difference? Biden is ahead right now but it's June. It means nothing. Kerry was ahead too. Romney was ahead too.

The difference? 140 electoral votes.

Good to see that nothing matters in June, presumably you'll stop telling everyone that Biden's lead will collapse once the American voters respond in awe to 13% unemployment in this week's polling, since that will also be irrelevant?

I NEVER said it would collapse what I said was Trump will get a bump because of the numbers and he will slowly claw his back back to a tied race by the end of August.