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SN2903
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« on: May 28, 2020, 11:53:05 PM »

I think it will be part of the reason why Trump eeks out MN
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2020, 08:07:37 PM »
« Edited: May 29, 2020, 08:13:38 PM by SN2903 »

Nobody is basing their November decision on this, no matter how much right-wingers want it to be true.
They are riots not protests.

Yeah I do agree no large group will actually base their decisions on it but people probably aren't as sympathetic anymore once you just show those clips

I'll agree but add most people that are basing their decision to vote for Trump on this probably weren't going to vote for Biden in the first place--if anything it'll be used to turn out cons who might've stayed home.

I guess I'll rephrase, nobody at all is going to even remember this come November, except people directly impacted by the events.

I'm fairly certain Trump will saturate the airwaves as it'll get some people's attention off of his mishandling of the pandemic.

100k+ dead with 20% unemployment, and Trump is spending his time talking about protests where everyone agrees the cop cold-blooded murdered the guy.

Yeah, I'm sure that'll work out swimmingly.
They are riots not protests. What happened is absolutely horrible and sickening and in my opinion the officer is guilty of minimum 2nd degree, but the riots are also very wrong and distuburing and the media needs to stop adding fuel to the fire.
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2020, 06:00:23 PM »

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos. In terms of the media adding fuel they seem to focused more on condemning the officer than the rioters and also keep calling them protests when they are riots mostly.
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2020, 06:03:15 PM »

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos.

The virus is going to last much longer in headlines than this social unrest will though. And it doesn't negate the economic damage.
It's starting to become not a big of an issue as it was. America is re opening and numbers are way down. What is your obsession with this economic thing? The economic shutdown has been instituted by democratic governors mostly.  It doesn't have anything to do with Trump. They are prolonging and making the economic damage worse.
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2020, 06:13:42 PM »

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos. In terms of the media adding fuel they seem to focused more on condemning the officer than the rioters and also keep calling them protests when they are riots mostly.

Trump is not doing anything for public safety though. All tweet no action.
Not about what Trump is doing he is seen as more for law and order than dems. This doesn't help dems. These riots are everywhere.
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2020, 06:14:20 PM »

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos.

The virus is going to last much longer in headlines than this social unrest will though. And it doesn't negate the economic damage.
It's starting to become not a big of an issue as it was. America is re opening and numbers are way down. What is your obsession with this economic thing? The economic shutdown has been instituted by democratic governors mostly.  It doesn't have anything to do with Trump. They are prolonging and making the economic damage worse.

Voters attribute almost thaumaturgical powers over the economy to the incumbent President. This is like rule #1 of American presidential elections.
It's different this time because of how the recession was started and the circumstances
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2020, 06:17:15 PM »
« Edited: May 30, 2020, 06:21:29 PM by SN2903 »

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos. In terms of the media adding fuel they seem to focused more on condemning the officer than the rioters and also keep calling them protests when they are riots mostly.

Trump is not doing anything for public safety though. All tweet no action.

Yeah, he promised to bring back "law and order" if elected, and now that he's elected the same things are happening anyway. Sure, it's more complicated than that in reality, but he is the one who promotes how he can somehow do these things and lead people to perceiving him as able to do so. It might not be lost on some Americans that he is in charge yet nothing has really changed.

Side note: You having a blue avatar now, for whatever reason, is really jarring.
What does Trump have to do with a bad cop? Stop talking nonsense. This hurts Democrats period. Anything involving anarchy people are going to swing conservative and yes I am talking about suburban whites.
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2020, 06:36:15 PM »

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos. In terms of the media adding fuel they seem to focused more on condemning the officer than the rioters and also keep calling them protests when they are riots mostly.

Trump is not doing anything for public safety though. All tweet no action.

Yeah, he promised to bring back "law and order" if elected, and now that he's elected the same things are happening anyway. Sure, it's more complicated than that in reality, but he is the one who promotes how he can somehow do these things and lead people to perceiving him as able to do so. It might not be lost on some Americans that he is in charge yet nothing has really changed.

Side note: You having a blue avatar now, for whatever reason, is really jarring.
What does Trump have to do with a bad cop? Stop talking nonsense. This hurts Democrats period. Anything involving anarchy people are going to swing conservative and yes I am talking about suburban whites.

Is there literally anything that you think would hurt Trump?
Is there literally any scenario where you think Biden won't win?
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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2020, 06:38:35 PM »

This could have the simultaneous effect of suburban voters going more for Trump out of concerns about public safety and many blacks staying home for being upset at the whole system. The virus narrative has been hurting trump somewhat..but stuff like this will help him. It changes the subject and the bottom line is Americans don't want chaos. In terms of the media adding fuel they seem to focused more on condemning the officer than the rioters and also keep calling them protests when they are riots mostly.

Trump is not doing anything for public safety though. All tweet no action.

Yeah, he promised to bring back "law and order" if elected, and now that he's elected the same things are happening anyway. Sure, it's more complicated than that in reality, but he is the one who promotes how he can somehow do these things and lead people to perceiving him as able to do so. It might not be lost on some Americans that he is in charge yet nothing has really changed.

Side note: You having a blue avatar now, for whatever reason, is really jarring.
What does Trump have to do with a bad cop? Stop talking nonsense. This hurts Democrats period. Anything involving anarchy people are going to swing conservative and yes I am talking about suburban whites.

Because Trump talks in very vague ways about the things he intends to accomplish. He did so in 2016 so when he discussed bringing back "law and order" amidst looting and rioting, some voters probably bought into the idea that he could somehow do something to prevent it. That's not how it works, but neither Trump nor low information know that.

It's the same thing with the economy. Trump talks about the economy as if he is the sole factor in how it's measured, and that's reflected in polls. It's not at all that simplistic, but perceptions trump (pun intended) facts and reality in politics oftentimes, and Trump constantly reinforces that.
That is really ridiculous.  This has nothing to with Trump. It's a bad cop. Period 
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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2020, 06:42:01 PM »

These riots are changing the narrative Democrats wanted to run on which is obsessing over an overhyped virus
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2020, 08:01:56 PM »
« Edited: May 30, 2020, 08:12:12 PM by SN2903 »

It’s not going to hurt Dems in the suburbs.
We'll see. Theres rioters in dozens of cities.  This is not good. I guarantee you 90% of the country at least is against this. They're criminals not protesters. Trump is going to have to bring in the army.
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2020, 08:26:35 PM »

It’s not going to hurt Dems in the suburbs.
We'll see. Theres rioters in dozens of cities.  This is not good. I guarantee you 90% of the country at least is against this. They're criminals not protesters. Trump is going to have to bring in the army.

If you think 90% of the country is against this, you're out of your mind and in a bubble.

It'll be 40-40 like everything else, with 20 percent undecided
dude ars you serious? People are not for riots
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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2020, 08:33:50 PM »

I think idea that riots benefit trump as some on here are claiming is ridiculous

This is a Sitting president and having this kind of chaos around does not help him at all.
It simply feeds into Biden message about moving away from the crazy trump years. I always thought Biden return to normalcy campaign was a bit silly but if this chaos keeps up I can actually see that message resonating with a lot of voters because I do think that many of them are going tired of trump going a twitter and making this Inflammatory statements that only makes things worse.  


Also I do not for 1 second believe that suburban white voters are going be so upset by the riots that they will refuse to vote for this guy who looks like this lol


I hate to even bring race into this but the fact is Biden is a white man and I don't think average person sees any connection between him and young rioters burning down buildings on the news. maybe if it was Bernie the GOP could have tried to made that connection but when I think about Joe Biden words like Radical, Protest, Revolution or BLM is the last thing that comes to mind          

Its going to be a lot harder for trump to use racial anger against him compared to him using it against black man like Obama or even a white woman like Hillary



Majority of Atlas " Everything that happens covid 19, impeachment,  riots. It doesn't matter it helps Biden!"  Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? They're literally burining cars and you think whites are going to vote for the democrats because of this? Insane
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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2020, 08:38:45 PM »
« Edited: May 30, 2020, 08:41:50 PM by SN2903 »

The idea that disorder and chaos isn't going to drag down the incumbent is silly. It's pretty weird to think that you can blame all the country's problems on the opposition.
It's silly to think that Midwestern suburban voters will turn to Democrats while antifa protesters cause curfews in their cities and the national guard is brought in. Democrats are seen as the party that is more extreme. That's fact. Contrary to democratic talking points people don't blame everything on Trump.
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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2020, 08:49:49 PM »

It’s not going to hurt Dems in the suburbs.
We'll see. Theres rioters in dozens of cities.  This is not good. I guarantee you 90% of the country at least is against this. They're criminals not protesters. Trump is going to have to bring in the army.

If you think 90% of the country is against this, you're out of your mind and in a bubble.

It'll be 40-40 like everything else, with 20 percent undecided

You're out of your bubble if you think roughly half of the people in this country are ok with rioting and vandalism.  The local proprietors who owned those businesses that burned up sure aren't and they probably don't even live in the suburbs.  This is not a good look, and people can argue this is Trump's fault all they want because he's the POTUS but the reality is that he's condemning these riots whereas few if any elected Democrats are.  

The cop committed a crime and was arrested and should have been.  But looking the other way while people are rioting on the streets is not going to benefit Democrats.  Particularly when they've been arguing that we need shutdowns and saying the Liberate protestors were irresponsible for organizing in groups.  
Exactly democratic leaders are doing a horrible job at condemning the chaos and protests. This could hand the election to Trump if things don't calm down soon. Democrats are not focused on the riots enough and still too focused on Floyd, while awful what is happening is much worse.
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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2020, 09:22:45 PM »

The failure of the dem Governor in Minnesota to stop this will def hurt Biden in Minnesota and potentially in other states it will hurt Biden
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2020, 11:21:18 PM »

I intended to post a warning earlier and forgot so doing it now so I'll take some responsibility for the dumpster fire this evening.

I just had to delete like a dozen posts that didn't add any sort of dialouge and was redundant one liners in hopes of restoring sanity.
Didn't the left literally contradict everything they have said in the past 2 months about conservative protests of the shutdown by now showing no concern for covid-19 during these protests ? The level of their hypocrisy is staggering and the silence of democratic "leaders" of not condemning the rioters is deafening.
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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2020, 11:25:05 PM »

I'm seeing more anger towards Trump and his lack of leadership. It's hard to do a "law and order" campaign when you are the "law and order."

If you guys think people will elect anyone who gives a voice to those destroying the cities, you're crazy.

They shouldn't have their voices heard. I was raised that spoiled children having tantrums don't get their way.

"Spoiled children having tantrums" is a really ed up and racist way to refer to black people asking cops to stop murdering them

You do realize that rioters have seriously injured numerous people already?  many of the victims not being cops at all.  I have yet to see a single Democratic politician denounce these acts of violence. 

This is stunning, and I am saying that someone who plans to vote for Joe Biden.  This board is becoming so far outside of the mainstream its insane.
I agree. I am also stunned. The Democratic party has been taken over by the far left. It is stunning.
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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2020, 11:35:44 PM »

Welp I really thought this was in fact going to help Trump because the riots look bad.  But of course, I forgot to realize that Trump would find a way to look worse than the rioters with his smug, awful behavior today.  Net wash.  Trump back on track to losing bigly. 
Gotta wait for the polls Wed Thurs dude. You seriously were all over the dems yesteday now you're back to Trump hate?
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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2020, 11:36:25 PM »

I never thought these protests would help Trump. When they become riots and incumbents act poorly they reflect badly on the incumbent.
So Trump is to blame for riots? Wow
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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2020, 11:46:38 PM »

I never thought these protests would help Trump. When they become riots and incumbents act poorly they reflect badly on the incumbent.
So Trump is to blame for riots? Wow

Trump is to blame for rather than taking charge and trying to unify and heal the nation instead hiding in his bunker and throwing tantrums on Twitter blaming other people.
If dems biggest critique of Trump is tweets they're in deep crap
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2020, 08:30:59 AM »

I never thought these protests would help Trump. When they become riots and incumbents act poorly they reflect badly on the incumbent.
So Trump is to blame for riots? Wow

Trump is to blame for rather than taking charge and trying to unify and heal the nation instead hiding in his bunker and throwing tantrums on Twitter blaming other people.
If dems biggest critique of Trump is tweets they're in deep crap

Says the guy who's candidate is down 6-8 points
According to the polls which have been notoriously wrong. Also it's only June 2nd.
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2020, 09:50:13 AM »

I never thought these protests would help Trump. When they become riots and incumbents act poorly they reflect badly on the incumbent.
So Trump is to blame for riots? Wow

Trump is to blame for rather than taking charge and trying to unify and heal the nation instead hiding in his bunker and throwing tantrums on Twitter blaming other people.
If dems biggest critique of Trump is tweets they're in deep crap

Says the guy who's candidate is down 6-8 points
According to the polls which have been notoriously wrong. Also it's only June 2nd.

It's worth pointing out that the 2016 national polls had Clinton up by 3.3 points, and she won the NPV by 2.1 points. The narrative that pollsters don't know what they're doing and are "notoriously wrong" is not supported by the numbers.

What the polls missed was the shift towards Trump in the last two weeks in PA, MI, and WI, which probably would have been reflected in the polls had the campaign gone on longer.
They got it wrong in the swing states period and the national polls were also too much toward Clinton.
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2020, 05:59:54 PM »
« Edited: June 02, 2020, 06:03:46 PM by SN2903 »

Back to the OP topic: It is absolutely outrageous the lack of condemnation by Democrats of the riots. It is sickening. These people are destroying communities. When will they step up and lead! THIS IS NOT ABOUT GEORGE FLOYD ANYMORE. Businesses are being destroyed.
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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2020, 06:05:54 PM »

I never thought these protests would help Trump. When they become riots and incumbents act poorly they reflect badly on the incumbent.
So Trump is to blame for riots? Wow

Trump is to blame for rather than taking charge and trying to unify and heal the nation instead hiding in his bunker and throwing tantrums on Twitter blaming other people.
You are either uninformed or just a flat out idiotic! Presidents don't choose to go to the bunker! He was told to. I would like to see more leadership out of your party then: but Trump every freaking time something happens. They haven't done anything to calm things down. Zilch. Zada. Nothing!
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