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Author Topic: Would you sacrifice your child like Abraham intended to?  (Read 3770 times)
Ferguson97
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« on: January 19, 2024, 12:18:12 PM »

If it was clear that it was God speaking to me and it was clear he wanted me to do it, Yes for certain.
Otherwise No.

If it was truly clear that it was God I was hearing from and not Satan or my own thoughts, Yes.

I hope the two of you never have children.
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2024, 08:28:29 PM »

I am in fact religious. I do believe in an all seeing all knowing God. I deeply respect that many will think differently, unlike you. And I hope you don't raise children sharing the same bigotry towards profound religiosity than you do. Have a nice day, I'm sorry to say I know you.
EDIT: Don't worry, the religiously devout will easily outbreed the likes of you. It's okay.

You got me. I admit that I have zero respect people who are willing to murder their own children because the voices in their heads told them to do so.
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2024, 09:55:44 PM »

"Voices in their heads"
First, I added so many caveats and you jump to the most uncharitable interpretation possible. I just didn't give a complete total No, because of my beliefs around God. God is beyond our comprehension and it's just arrogant for us to play God or claim to know precisely literally everything about God and what he does. Your casual disrespect for religion is just hilarious. I didn't realize we had an r/athiest regular. And unlike Dule, he's actually unlikeable.
I don't go out of my way to tailor my religious beliefs to please athiests. You can be athiest or a non-athiest. I respect that. What I won't respect is your bigotry.
What a joke.

If your God commands you to murder your own child, your God is evil. If you obey him, you are too.

You can be the most devoutly religious person on the planet, and I wouldn't care. Just don't kill your own children. I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to ask!
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2024, 10:11:59 PM »

My post expressed pretty implicit skepticism God would ever demand this of me. After all, this precise sort of scenario is not something I recall happening anytime since Abraham (ah) was asked to do it, as far as I'm aware.
God sits above humanity. Humanity is but a mere facet of his creation. I'm seeking to avoid arrogance here. And placing us on the level of God or applying human morality to God is ludicrous.

"God would never ask me to do this, but if I did, I would have to listen."

The notion that God is infallible and his wisdom is to never be questioned, as it is beyond our understanding, is, at best, a lazy cop-out answer crafted to avoid having to do any critical thinking about the foundations of your moral belief system.
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2024, 09:50:54 AM »

I would not take that alleged possibility into consideration.

Can you please explain to me how this line of thinking, "God is always morally perfect, he can never possibly be wrong, I will not entertain the idea that he is evil, I would be willing to kill my child if God commanded it" is not comparable to that of a cultist?
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2024, 01:22:12 PM »

I would not take that alleged possibility into consideration.

Can you please explain to me how this line of thinking, "God is always morally perfect, he can never possibly be wrong, I will not entertain the idea that he is evil, I would be willing to kill my child if God commanded it" is not comparable to that of a cultist?
In some faiths the idea of God being evil is a very marginal concept at best. That's more common than you are making it out to be. This world is nothing compared to the afterlife anyways, comparatively.

This does not answer my question.
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2024, 09:00:38 PM »

Mere humans like you and I cannot ever fully comprehend everything about God. Applying human standards to God is a fools errand.

It is literally impossible to have a rational conversation with you if you think this.
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2024, 12:14:51 PM »

Mere humans like you and I cannot ever fully comprehend everything about God. Applying human standards to God is a fools errand.

It is literally impossible to have a rational conversation with you if you think this.
Believing that literally everything in existence (including the divine) can be judged or held to a single moral standard and framework in an all-inclusive way is in itself irrational and ignoring of the complexity of reality itself.

How can we possibly discuss anything with you if you’re just going to say that your God is immune to and above any and all criticism because he’s “beyond our understanding”? That’s a cop-out answer. It allows you to completely avoid reflecting on your own moral framework.
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