Pro-choice or Pro-life?

[Ferguson97]

Pro-choice in all cases.

It's extremely unlikely that a woman is going to have an elective abortion if she's eight months pregnant - and putting in health requirements are often too vague and can place unnecessary restrictions to allow states to restrict it for no good reason.

[Ferguson97]

Pro-choice in all cases.

It's extremely unlikely that a woman is going to have an elective abortion if she's eight months pregnant - and putting in health requirements are often too vague and can place unnecessary restrictions to allow states to restrict it for no good reason.

Some people murder their children who are already born, so why do people act like no one would murder a third trimester unborn baby?

Because nobody has a child for the express purpose of murdering them. That evil act is rationalized later. This is sort of a disingenuous comparison.

[Ferguson97]

Pro-choice in all cases.

It's extremely unlikely that a woman is going to have an elective abortion if she's eight months pregnant - and putting in health requirements are often too vague and can place unnecessary restrictions to allow states to restrict it for no good reason.

At what point, then, is it murder? The instant the baby’s born? A month before that? Two? Maybe a few weeks after birth?

I’m not trying to sound disingenuous. I’m just saying, you should really think carefully about this before jumping in all the way.

The baby develops personhood the second he/she is born.

So anything after that would be murder.

[Ferguson97]

#4

There’s an alternative to abortion. Adoption is that alternative. Also, the perspective father should have a choice in the matter and most would choose life instead of murder.

Men should not control women's bodies. They're not the ones getting pregnant.

[Ferguson97]

#4

There’s an alternative to abortion. Adoption is that alternative. Also, the perspective father should have a choice in the matter and most would choose life instead of murder.

Men should not control women's bodies. They're not the ones getting pregnant.

In most circumstances, it would be bad for a woman in a stable relationship to hide their pregnancy or abortion from their partner, and I believe the father has a right to know and express their opinion, but the final decision can only be the mother's, and if her decisions are upsetting to her partner, that is a marital issue for them to resolve and not for the state.

I think ideally from a relationship perspective, that the father should be part of the discussion but legally speaking, the woman should have 100% say.

[Ferguson97]

I still have a hard time believing that anyone genuinely cares about this issue. It's the definition of virtue signaling.

You generally make good arguments, but this is a really dumb statement.

You can't imagine why a woman would care about having control over her own body?

[Ferguson97]

I still have a hard time believing that anyone genuinely cares about this issue. It's the definition of virtue signaling.

You generally make good arguments, but this is a really dumb statement.

You can't imagine why a woman would care about having control over her own body?

I'm referring to the pro-lifers. Their position on this issue was the original performative wokeness.

Ah my mistake. Apologies.

[Ferguson97]

The baby develops personhood the second he/she is born.

So anything after that would be murder.

So, if the death penalty is legal, regardless of if it should be, you’d be perfectly fine with the state executing a pregnant woman? You wouldn’t say that the baby had to be carried to term?

No, forcing a woman to go through with giving birth is immoral.