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Pro-choice in all cases
 
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Pro-choice though pro-life at a certain point before infancy
 
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Pro-life with exceptions to rape, incest and danger to the mother
 
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Pro-life in all cases
 
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« on: October 09, 2020, 07:30:16 PM »

#3 for me.
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2020, 07:37:18 PM »

Pro-life with regards to abortion in theory.
However, until we have universal access to birth control, comprehensive sex-Ed, and ample resources for new parents especially single ones) then I won’t take a strong stance.
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2020, 08:24:38 PM »

Pro-choice in all cases.

It's extremely unlikely that a woman is going to have an elective abortion if she's eight months pregnant - and putting in health requirements are often too vague and can place unnecessary restrictions to allow states to restrict it for no good reason.
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2020, 09:36:41 PM »

Pro-choice in all cases.

It's extremely unlikely that a woman is going to have an elective abortion if she's eight months pregnant - and putting in health requirements are often too vague and can place unnecessary restrictions to allow states to restrict it for no good reason.

Some people murder their children who are already born, so why do people act like no one would murder a third trimester unborn baby?
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2020, 07:26:22 AM »

Pro-choice in all cases.

It's extremely unlikely that a woman is going to have an elective abortion if she's eight months pregnant - and putting in health requirements are often too vague and can place unnecessary restrictions to allow states to restrict it for no good reason.

Some people murder their children who are already born, so why do people act like no one would murder a third trimester unborn baby?

Because nobody has a child for the express purpose of murdering them. That evil act is rationalized later. This is sort of a disingenuous comparison.
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2020, 09:13:28 AM »

Pro-choice in all cases.

It's extremely unlikely that a woman is going to have an elective abortion if she's eight months pregnant - and putting in health requirements are often too vague and can place unnecessary restrictions to allow states to restrict it for no good reason.

Some people murder their children who are already born, so why do people act like no one would murder a third trimester unborn baby?

Because nobody has a child for the express purpose of murdering them. That evil act is rationalized later. This is sort of a disingenuous comparison.

What if someone wanted a child and then changes their mind?
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2020, 06:10:31 PM »

Pro-choice in all cases.

It's extremely unlikely that a woman is going to have an elective abortion if she's eight months pregnant - and putting in health requirements are often too vague and can place unnecessary restrictions to allow states to restrict it for no good reason.

Some people murder their children who are already born, so why do people act like no one would murder a third trimester unborn baby?

Because nobody has a child for the express purpose of murdering them. That evil act is rationalized later. This is sort of a disingenuous comparison.

What if someone wanted a child and then changes their mind?

That is a ridiculous question. Medical ethics dictate the available courses of action.
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2020, 07:28:40 PM »

Pro-choice in all cases.

It's extremely unlikely that a woman is going to have an elective abortion if she's eight months pregnant - and putting in health requirements are often too vague and can place unnecessary restrictions to allow states to restrict it for no good reason.

Some people murder their children who are already born, so why do people act like no one would murder a third trimester unborn baby?

Because nobody has a child for the express purpose of murdering them. That evil act is rationalized later. This is sort of a disingenuous comparison.

What if someone wanted a child and then changes their mind?

That is a ridiculous question. Medical ethics dictate the available courses of action.

That's not an answer.  There are monstrous people out there, some of whom are pregnant women and some of whom are doctors.
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2020, 11:56:03 PM »

Option 2. Anyone who voted 4 is disgusting.
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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2020, 11:57:18 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2020, 11:59:12 PM »

Number 3.
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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2020, 12:26:51 AM »

Pro-choice in all cases.

It's extremely unlikely that a woman is going to have an elective abortion if she's eight months pregnant - and putting in health requirements are often too vague and can place unnecessary restrictions to allow states to restrict it for no good reason.
At what point, then, is it murder? The instant the baby’s born? A month before that? Two? Maybe a few weeks after birth?

I’m not trying to sound disingenuous. I’m just saying, you should really think carefully about this before jumping in all the way.
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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2020, 01:08:00 AM »

I generally have considered myself to be pro-life excluding the big three exceptions for about 13 years now.
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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2020, 02:22:25 AM »

Pro-choice in all cases.

It's extremely unlikely that a woman is going to have an elective abortion if she's eight months pregnant - and putting in health requirements are often too vague and can place unnecessary restrictions to allow states to restrict it for no good reason.
At what point, then, is it murder? The instant the baby’s born? A month before that? Two? Maybe a few weeks after birth?

I’m not trying to sound disingenuous. I’m just saying, you should really think carefully about this before jumping in all the way.

The baby develops personhood the second he/she is born.

So anything after that would be murder.
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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2020, 01:41:52 PM »

Should be legal up to 24 weeks. After 24 weeks, only legal if medically necessary.
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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2020, 04:19:12 PM »

#4

There’s an alternative to abortion. Adoption is that alternative. Also, the perspective father should have a choice in the matter and most would choose life instead of murder.

Option 2. Anyone who voted 4 is disgusting.


I don’t understand why you think anyone who is pro-life with no exceptions is disgusting. Whatever happened to having a discussion in a respectful tone towards those who disagree with you.
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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2020, 04:22:11 PM »

Option 3 is the closest to my position on the issue.
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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2020, 08:18:11 PM »

#4

There’s an alternative to abortion. Adoption is that alternative. Also, the perspective father should have a choice in the matter and most would choose life instead of murder.



Men should not control women's bodies. They're not the ones getting pregnant.
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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2020, 08:27:49 PM »

#4

There’s an alternative to abortion. Adoption is that alternative. Also, the perspective father should have a choice in the matter and most would choose life instead of murder.



Men should not control women's bodies. They're not the ones getting pregnant.

In most circumstances, it would be bad for a woman in a stable relationship to hide their pregnancy or abortion from their partner, and I believe the father has a right to know and express their opinion, but the final decision can only be the mother's, and if her decisions are upsetting to her partner, that is a marital issue for them to resolve and not for the state.
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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2020, 11:04:09 PM »

#4

There’s an alternative to abortion. Adoption is that alternative. Also, the perspective father should have a choice in the matter and most would choose life instead of murder.



Men should not control women's bodies. They're not the ones getting pregnant.

In most circumstances, it would be bad for a woman in a stable relationship to hide their pregnancy or abortion from their partner, and I believe the father has a right to know and express their opinion, but the final decision can only be the mother's, and if her decisions are upsetting to her partner, that is a marital issue for them to resolve and not for the state.

I think ideally from a relationship perspective, that the father should be part of the discussion but legally speaking, the woman should have 100% say.
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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2020, 11:49:43 PM »

I still have a hard time believing that anyone genuinely cares about this issue. It's the definition of virtue signaling.
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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2020, 12:34:59 AM »

I still have a hard time believing that anyone genuinely cares about this issue. It's the definition of virtue signaling.

You generally make good arguments, but this is a really dumb statement.

You can't imagine why a woman would care about having control over her own body?
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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2020, 01:25:54 AM »

I still have a hard time believing that anyone genuinely cares about this issue. It's the definition of virtue signaling.

You generally make good arguments, but this is a really dumb statement.

You can't imagine why a woman would care about having control over her own body?

I'm referring to the pro-lifers. Their position on this issue was the original performative wokeness.
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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2020, 01:49:28 AM »

I still have a hard time believing that anyone genuinely cares about this issue. It's the definition of virtue signaling.

You generally make good arguments, but this is a really dumb statement.

You can't imagine why a woman would care about having control over her own body?

I have a hard time understanding why the pro-choice side cares about it so much.  If I wasn't convinced that life begins at conception, I would remain neutral because the consequences of being wrong on this issue are so severe.
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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2020, 02:00:29 AM »

I still have a hard time believing that anyone genuinely cares about this issue. It's the definition of virtue signaling.

You generally make good arguments, but this is a really dumb statement.

You can't imagine why a woman would care about having control over her own body?

I'm referring to the pro-lifers. Their position on this issue was the original performative wokeness.

Ah my mistake. Apologies.
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