Who was responsible for the holocaust?

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Directly or indirectly? If you mean directly, then it would be the Nazis. But, if you mean indirectly, then it would be Woodrow Wilson and Fraklin Delano Roosevelt. Wilson is indirectly responsible for the Holocaust because his unfair Verssailes Treaty led to a radical like Adolf Hitler getting elected in Germany. FDR was also responsible because he provoked Japan to attack us, thus getting the U.S. into World War II. Hitler's original plan was to send the Jews to Madagascar, but when FDR declared war against Germany, Hitler responded by going to Plan B: Extermination.

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Directly or indirectly? If you mean directly, then it would be the Nazis. But, if you mean indirectly, then it would be Woodrow Wilson and Fraklin Delano Roosevelt. Wilson is indirectly responsible for the Holocaust because his unfair Verssailes Treaty led to a radical like Adolf Hitler getting elected in Germany. FDR was also responsible because he provoked Japan to attack us, thus getting the U.S. into World War II. Hitler's original plan was to send the Jews to Madagascar, but when FDR declared war against Germany, Hitler responded by going to Plan B: Extermination.

Oh, come one.  Do you really buy that stuff?  THe Nazis had already killed thousands of Jews in Poland and Russia before Dec 1941 rolled around, and if they had not intended to build the camps, then they must have swtiched gears pretty quick, because they were fully functional within months of when the US got in the war.

There was no "Plan B".  "Plan A" had always been extermination, and if you don't believe me, it is all laid out in Mein Kampf.  The only people who didn't believe Hitler meant what he said about killing Jews were the Western leaders who couldn't imagine it.

Okay, but can you deny that Wilson's unfair Versailles Treaty is what made the Germans mad enough to elect the NSP in Germany?

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Directly or indirectly? If you mean directly, then it would be the Nazis. But, if you mean indirectly, then it would be Woodrow Wilson and Fraklin Delano Roosevelt. Wilson is indirectly responsible for the Holocaust because his unfair Verssailes Treaty led to a radical like Adolf Hitler getting elected in Germany. FDR was also responsible because he provoked Japan to attack us, thus getting the U.S. into World War II. Hitler's original plan was to send the Jews to Madagascar, but when FDR declared war against Germany, Hitler responded by going to Plan B: Extermination.

You just have to find a way to make it FDR's fault don't you?  Hitler was shipping Jews off to concentration camps as early as 1939, as soon as he conquered Poland.  I find it sad that you have to blame WWII on FDR, the man who ended the war in the best way possible.  Without him, the world at the moment might still languish under an imperialist Japan, Facist Italy, or Nazi German government.  He was the man who got America into fighting shape to oppose Hitler.

Well, if you looked it up, you would find that Hitler was going to send the Jews in Madagascar, but decided to go with extermination after the USA entered the war. Are you even going to accept that FDR's peacetime draft in 1940 was a sign that he intended to get America into the war before America was attacked?

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Well, I may have been a little rash about blaming FDR for it. However, when Jews wanted to emigrate to the US, he wasn't so friendly.

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It is partly true that the Holocaust accelerated because the Nazis were losing the War. But I don't really think that makes it the fault of the Allies...

Well, obviously the Allies should have just respected Germany's sovereignty and Hitler obviously would have been satisfied then.

Yeah! deporting them to Madagascar or South America was a much better idea than exterminating them.

The fact is deportation would'nt have been the end of it.  If Hitler had had his way the whole world would have been under his control, thus he would have had no where left to deport them to.  Therefore he inevitably would have started the Holocaust.

Sorry to bust your "Adolf Hitler was bent on world conquest" bubble but, in reality, from his writings on what he would do in the post-War and his views on the rest of the world he would have basically disengaged from the rest of the world while solidifying the Reich's control over the only continent that, in Hitler's mind, meant anything, Europe. He wanted to bring all of Europe under his dominion and, especially, use Britain, under a puppet monarch, to do whatever bidding he wanted in world affairs outside of Europe. Also once you get outside of Europe alot of problem occur, such as bumping into the great East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere or American global interests, which Germany really couldn't piss off. Hitler most likely thought that after the War, if he won it, there would be a cold war between the United States and Germany, since the United States was one of the few "civilized" nations that Hitler couldn't control in his "Europe is everything" strategy.

All in all a victorious Third Reich would be more "isolationist" than the Soviet Union was, since it wouldn't have the ideological imperative to spread revolution, and would have left most non-European and non-American foreign policy to satelitte states like the British Empire. The "Hitler bent on World Domination" is about as much of a fiction as the "Hitler bent on invading the US" is, ie both were basically made up for war propaganda means during the 40s. Not saying that a Europe only Hitler would be any better, I shudder to think what horrible things he could have accomplished with even more time to rule, just not the "Hitler takes over the world" type scenario people think would happen.

The problem with deportation is that the Nazis wouldn't have just left them there and said, "Okay this is your Jewish only state don't bug us again." According to what I can find on Plan Madagascar the whole island would be run as a very very large ghetto, with SS patroling the streets and the Jewish people only given the veneer of independence when in fact they were basically being held in a prison by the government of the Third Reich. The whole island would just be a very large and slightly more free and open prison camp.

Well, didn't Stalin and his Communist allies actually kill more people than Hitler did? I don't think there was a real difference from a neutral perspective whether Stalin or Hitler was in power for a longer period of time. Also, the Madagascar plan sounds very similar to Britain's Australia.