MA-SEN Megathread: Senator Markey wins

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I think this race is still lean Kennedy. Given how negative Markey has been of late I think he's still behind.

I agree. Also, welcome to the Forum!

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Joe Kennedy isn't running to represent Massachusetts
He's running for a springboard for a 2024 presidential run and its painfully obvious.

Markey for Senate

"He didn't come here to run for senate, he came here to run for the white house"
-John Cornyn referring to Ted Cruz

same story with Kennedy. His entitlement really baffles my mind and it possibly comes at the expense of one of the best people in the senate

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Joe Kennedy isn't running to represent Massachusetts
He's running for a springboard for a 2024 presidential run and its painfully obvious.

Markey for Senate

"He didn't come here to run for senate, he came here to run for the white house"
-John Cornyn referring to Ted Cruz

same story with Kennedy. His entitlement really baffles my mind and it possibly comes at the expense of one of the best people in the senate

Entitlement? It sounds like you’re punishing him for being a Kennedy. Which is ironic considering that should be a good thing when you look at their contributions to our country

But the whole entitlement bullsh**t is weak. The seat doesn’t belong to anyone. The voters will decide and if they think Kennedy is the better choice then they’ll vote accordingly and vice versa. It’s not “entitled” to try and serve in the Senate

"Entitlement"

"(being a Kennedy) should be a good thing when you look at their contributions"

yeah, case and point. People shouldn't vote for him based off of what his family did. People should vote for their reps base off of what they do. Ed Markey is one of the most effective proponents for protecting the environment by co-sponsoring the green new deal.

Kennedy openly admitted that there's nothing Markey has done wrong. He can't land an attack on him because he represents MA so well. Even more so, Kennedy can't say anything but that he's a fresh face (from an entrenched political dynasty). He doesn't run on his legislative achievements because he has none and he doesn't run on his ideas because again there are none

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Kennedy is wasting tons of money that could be used against Mr. Trump and his enablers instead. And I still haven't figured out why he wants Markey to go other than for self-promotion. MA has 2 senators unlikely to stay in for many more decades and he has the time to wait a few more years or run 4 gov once Charlie Baker decides to retire.

No that's literally it. No ideological differences, no demographic differences, no tactical differences. Literally pure ego and it's a drain on resources and a waste of Markey's time. I really hope JKIII loses so he can get out of politics

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Kennedy is wasting tons of money that could be used against Mr. Trump and his enablers instead. And I still haven't figured out why he wants Markey to go other than for self-promotion. MA has 2 senators unlikely to stay in for many more decades and he has the time to wait a few more years or run 4 gov once Charlie Baker decides to retire.

No that's literally it. No ideological differences, no demographic differences, no tactical differences. Literally pure ego and it's a drain on resources and a waste of Markey's time. I really hope JKIII loses so he can get out of politics

This is such BS. This race is not taking any resources away from the fight against Trumpism. ZERO. It’s a Safe Dem seat in a Safe Dem state in a region where virtually all races are Safe or at worst Likely Dem.

In recent years you’ve had many Dems who have been in Washington for years being primaried by much younger candidates who have been reasonably in lock step with them on policy issues (Yes slightly more left). The challengers in those races have proclaimed “We need younger people to represent us, we need a new generation”.

AOC, Bowman and Pressley to name a few. But for some reason when Joe Kennedy primaries someone his point about a new generation stepping up is discredited because he comes from a family with many relatively who have sacrafised so much for this country.

With that being said, those thinking JK will win this race don’t know what they’re talking about & are being overly simplistic. Unfortunately the Bernie Bro Pitch Fork brigade has been effective in bruising the image of a young man who would be PHENOMENAL in the Senate. Sadly my state isn’t what it used to be in this regard

Ah yes, I remember when notable progressive firebrand and democratic socialist Crowley got primaried out by AOC. Good times.

You're fundamentally misunderstanding the successful primaries that have occurred so far. Neither AOC, Bowman, nor Pressley won by saying "new blood", they all had very good pitches to the changing demographics in their seat.

- AOC was a Hispanic running in a seat that had become plurality/majority Hispanic. She also stood as a contrast to the moderate Crowley, and was able to use Crowley's lack of attention to the seat to argue that he was out of touch.
- Bowman appealed to the African Americans in the seat, who were a plurality, through the recent events that came from George Floyd's murder. He also was able to use the fact that Engel stepped in a ton of s*** to argue that Engel was out of touch with his seat.
- Pressley's primary was the most racially based of the successful primaries.She argued that a majority-minority seat needed a minority to represent it. She also argued that Capuano had grown out of touch with his seat, especially with his connections to police unions.

None of the three have used "we need new blood" as their main sales pitch for their primary. Kennedy is because there fundamentally is very little else to run on. The two are ideologically similar, hell, he may be the more moderate of the two. They're both white and its Massachusetts. The only issue Kennedy can run on is the fact that Markey is old and he is young.

Any primary candidate just arguing for new blood would be blown out of the water, but Kennedy appears to be a special case for reasons that are not very appealing outside the state. It makes him look entitled. He has no real appeal to voters except the fact that his family are famed in politics. Nobody likes the guy who gets the job based on family connections.

Who needs to run on a record or "merit" when you're the heir to the Kennedy dynasty?

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I am getting a little tired of the "why is Kennedy even running? Markey is perfect" talking point. Markey is consistently in Massachusetts less than other members of the delegation. He voted for bills that progressives loathe, such as the crime bill, Patriot act, and Iraq War. There's a reason why Markey is so vulnerable to a primary, and it's not just the Kennedy name.

that is a terrible bar for people getting primaried. All most every democrat voted for the bills you mentioned

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https://twitter.com/politico/status/1288512244456787968

LMAO

I know how to win an election, trashing the local newspaper while the president of the other party is constantly attacking the free press

lot of 4D chess here

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Could Kennedy be anymore transparent that he's just using the Senate seat as a launchpad in 2024?

Not at all, can't wait to see him crash and burn in that run tho

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It’s pathetic how much everyone on this thread is buying Markeys BS just because they’re anti-dynasty. Even if JK is likely to do more for Massachusetts. I’d say thank god my state is smarter than this thread but clearly from all indications they aren’t

nice strawman

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I received my ballot in the mail today. Voted Kennedy for Senate and Mermell for House. We'll have to see what happens on September 1, but I think Markey is favored based on recent polling. I do think Kennedy can still win this, though.

even though the polling has markey ahead. I feel like undecideds who really don't know much for Kennedy just because of the name tbh so I think it's going to be a nail bitter and I doubt we find out who wins that night

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The derangement (from at least one poster, anyway) in this thread is both fascinating and quite alarming.

I'm just counting down the days until A certain poster gets to see candidate which has a certain affinity for lose

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I don't actually mean this to be another pile on

But if/when he does lose, one of the questions Kennedy is going have to ask himself is how he let his campaign organization get so... messy. Mistakes are an unavoidable part of politics, but some of these have been downright embarrassing on his behalf.

The Kennedys are known for campaigns where's there's too many chefs over the pot, so to speak. Teddy's run for the Presidency in 1980 was notorious for being chaotic. The worse part was that the one adviser with the most influence, his brother-in-law Steve Smith, was basically still living in 1960 in terms of primary politics. Smith didn't understand the proportional system of bounded delegates at all, which meant Kennedy ignored southern states that Carter won in landslides, which guaranteed him the nomination.

That's the one problem coming from a large family with a lot of politicians. Everyone has their own ideas on how to run the race, and are convinced in being right. Add in all the hangers-on and family lackeys and you have a recipe for chaos.

Did Teddy really have a shot at beating Carter in the south?

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Weird how quiet Millennial Moderate has gotten, let's hope it stays that way

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Hopefully, Warren goes for Treasury and Kennedy v Pressley primary, Kennedy would win

About time you say something I like.

In my gut I kind of think he still would win but maybe I’m just being hopeful cause frankly he just lost to the biggest, most irrelevant loser there is in the Dem party. So who knows

Sorry, but just to point out the inaccuracy of this statement, it is Kennedy who is the loser here.

I mean in a sense yes because he lost the 2020 race.

But overall ....Markey is again, the biggest most irrelevant loser in the party right now. it’s between him and overrated Stacey Abrams. But we don’t know what Abrams would do in office, we know Markey will do NOTHINF

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I'm not sure how Markey can be described as the "biggest most irrelevant loser" when he just defeated a member of the Kennedy dynasty in Massachusetts, someone who was viewed as a rising star by many political observers.

That’s WHY it’s such a tragedy.

Because (and take the Kennedy name out of it) but a young, talented, courageous, selfless rising star in the party with a combination of outsider  progesssive ideals  and yet insider connections - was defeated by someone who I repeat is USELESS. Story after story about constituents attempting to reach out to him for help and them being shunned, ignored and plain old disrespected by Ed Markey. And his legislative accomplishments are minimal.

But because of one single shrude political calculation to align himself with AOC (because he knew a primary challenge was imminent after seeing Presley’s win) - he suddenly became the darling of the far progressive left which no doubt made the difference as that latte liberal coelessed around him and turned on Joe Kennedy making him appear as “entitled” for daring to primary an incumbent even though it’s happened in a handful of high profile races recently.

And it may have just ended the career of someone who was the future of the party and ironically - likely the best shot of a progressive reaching the White House - as it’s likely he would’ve in 8-16 years.. and all for what? 6 more yrs of Ed Effing Markey? 😂🤦🏻‍♂️

I have to say your obsession with JKIII is a little weird.

Like I get your guy lost but the fact that you come on this thread and spew mellow drama after anyone says anything bad about godking JKIII is a bit sad.

There are other young progressives in the party, hell even in MA. Just because one lost doesn't mean that the progressive movement is dead, after all a progressive just won the MA dem primary!

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Hopefully, Warren goes for Treasury and Kennedy v Pressley primary, Kennedy would win

About time you say something I like.

In my gut I kind of think he still would win but maybe I’m just being hopeful cause frankly he just lost to the biggest, most irrelevant loser there is in the Dem party. So who knows

Sorry, but just to point out the inaccuracy of this statement, it is Kennedy who is the loser here.

I mean in a sense yes because he lost the 2020 race.

But overall ....Markey is again, the biggest most irrelevant loser in the party right now. it’s between him and overrated Stacey Abrams. But we don’t know what Abrams would do in office, we know Markey will do NOTHINF

lol k

I'm not sure how Markey can be described as the "biggest most irrelevant loser" when he just defeated a member of the Kennedy dynasty in Massachusetts, someone who was viewed as a rising star by many political observers.

That’s WHY it’s such a tragedy.

Because (and take the Kennedy name out of it) but a young, talented, courageous, selfless rising star in the party with a combination of outsider  progesssive ideals  and yet insider connections - was defeated by someone who I repeat is USELESS. Story after story about constituents attempting to reach out to him for help and them being shunned, ignored and plain old disrespected by Ed Markey. And his legislative accomplishments are minimal.

But because of one single shrude political calculation to align himself with AOC (because he knew a primary challenge was imminent after seeing Presley’s win) - he suddenly became the darling of the far progressive left which no doubt made the difference as that latte liberal coelessed around him and turned on Joe Kennedy making him appear as “entitled” for daring to primary an incumbent even though it’s happened in a handful of high profile races recently.

And it may have just ended the career of someone who was the future of the party and ironically - likely the best shot of a progressive reaching the White House - as it’s likely he would’ve in 8-16 years.. and all for what? 6 more yrs of Ed Effing Markey? 😂🤦🏻‍♂️

I have to say your obsession with JKIII is a little weird.

Like I get your guy lost but the fact that you come on this thread and spew mellow drama after anyone says anything bad about godking JKIII is a bit sad.

There are other young progressives in the party, hell even in MA. Just because one lost doesn't mean that the progressive movement is dead, after all a progressive just won the MA dem primary!

It can be weird to you but I admire what the Kennedy’s have done for this country and there relentless devotion to public service. JK3 in particular is best suited to not just keep the dream alive but to be a rarity - a progesssive in a real position of power.

Last I checked he'll be out of a job in a four months

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Hopefully, Warren goes for Treasury and Kennedy v Pressley primary, Kennedy would win

About time you say something I like.

In my gut I kind of think he still would win but maybe I’m just being hopeful cause frankly he just lost to the biggest, most irrelevant loser there is in the Dem party. So who knows

Sorry, but just to point out the inaccuracy of this statement, it is Kennedy who is the loser here.

I mean in a sense yes because he lost the 2020 race.

But overall ....Markey is again, the biggest most irrelevant loser in the party right now. it’s between him and overrated Stacey Abrams. But we don’t know what Abrams would do in office, we know Markey will do NOTHINF

lol k

I'm not sure how Markey can be described as the "biggest most irrelevant loser" when he just defeated a member of the Kennedy dynasty in Massachusetts, someone who was viewed as a rising star by many political observers.

That’s WHY it’s such a tragedy.

Because (and take the Kennedy name out of it) but a young, talented, courageous, selfless rising star in the party with a combination of outsider  progesssive ideals  and yet insider connections - was defeated by someone who I repeat is USELESS. Story after story about constituents attempting to reach out to him for help and them being shunned, ignored and plain old disrespected by Ed Markey. And his legislative accomplishments are minimal.

But because of one single shrude political calculation to align himself with AOC (because he knew a primary challenge was imminent after seeing Presley’s win) - he suddenly became the darling of the far progressive left which no doubt made the difference as that latte liberal coelessed around him and turned on Joe Kennedy making him appear as “entitled” for daring to primary an incumbent even though it’s happened in a handful of high profile races recently.

And it may have just ended the career of someone who was the future of the party and ironically - likely the best shot of a progressive reaching the White House - as it’s likely he would’ve in 8-16 years.. and all for what? 6 more yrs of Ed Effing Markey? 😂🤦🏻‍♂️

I have to say your obsession with JKIII is a little weird.

Like I get your guy lost but the fact that you come on this thread and spew mellow drama after anyone says anything bad about godking JKIII is a bit sad.

There are other young progressives in the party, hell even in MA. Just because one lost doesn't mean that the progressive movement is dead, after all a progressive just won the MA dem primary!

It can be weird to you but I admire what the Kennedy’s have done for this country and there relentless devotion to public service. JK3 in particular is best suited to not just keep the dream alive but to be a rarity - a progesssive in a real position of power.

Last I checked he'll be out of a job in a four months

Yep, to be replaced by a Republican pretending to be a Democrat. Thanks, Joe!

oh don't forget wasting millions for dems along the way!