Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

All Da have to do is make Rs do a standing Filibuster on VR and Debt Ceiling since Manchin and Sinema won't break Filibuster

Clyburn right on Constitutional issues like Budgets or VR THERE SHOULD NEVER BE A FILIBUSTER INCLUDING STATEHOOD

Due to fact Minority plays partisan games with it

Collins is MIA she's done, she ran as a phony Maverick again in 2020, she's blocking everything

They say military won't get paid

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I appreciate that posters have different priorities and agendas on all of this, but a couple of things.

The Sept 27 deadline date came to be in order for the Dems to round up enough votes to win the procedural vote to start the reconciliation process in the first instance, because some "rogue" Dems were insisting on a vote on the infrastructure bill on a stand alone basis. The Sept 27 thing was the finesse. Let us get going on reconciliation and you agree to a delay on the infrastructure bill until Sept 27, at which time, infrastructure or no, you get your vote.

How will it work out politically for the Dems if they kill the infrastructure bill because they did not get their way on reconciliation? Is that really a creditable threat for them to make vis a vis the "rogue Dem" caucus? That seems like a bluff to me, and if the Dems really go there, I think the rogue Dems will call it.

We shall see. I see on my screen "Sept 21" (how time flies), so six more days to go - until this coming Monday! I guess the only people playing on the congressional golf course this weekend will be Pubs.

Addendum: Thinks seem to be devolving into a clown car smash up for the Dems.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/21/democrats-biden-domestic-agenda-implode-513218

Who is in charge over there anyway? Yeah, I know, nobody. That's why so many folks are rushing to the microphones to say what seem to me to be rather unwise and foolish things. If someone were in charge, they would all be told to shut up.

If we’re gonna lose anyway b/c of Sinemanchin’s nonsense, we might as well spit in their faces on the way out.

We aren't gonna lose have you seen the polls we have a chance in OH and NC Sen and Johnson is tied and Fetterman, Bennett and Kelly are up by nine and we're up by  5 in VA

Rs haven't cracked the Blue wall since 2016

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Biden is down in the polls because he hasn't shown any leadership on the Debt Ceiling or the Reconciliation, he needs to act on it soon or D's are gonna lose

If there isn't a Debt Ceiling resolution by Nov, we can lose NJ or VA, Murphy is only 3 pts ahead

There are Red flags too, it's not gonna be Easy as Klobuchar said

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Ok, Joe Biden and Chuck Schumer should get more aggressive to get the Democrats in line. It's already a disappointment congress was unable to pass any legislation of significance in several months since spring. I just don't understand why some self described moderates don't understand inaction is much more harmful to the Democrats than doing nothing or small packages. Economists across the board have concluded this package makes sense. Get it done, the clock is ticking!

Biden said he would bring Rs into and be more Bipartisan in the inauguration and the Rs aren't gonna give D's 10 votes to lift the Debt Ceiling to pass a 497T


You aren't gonna have infrastructure or Anything unless the Debt Ceiling is raised anyways d

What happened to bipartisan Biden

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

https://news.yahoo.com/mitch-mcconnell-tells-democrats-not-214329695.html

Biden supposed to be bipartisan as Mcconnell says to Ds the pass your own plan and debt Ceiling thru Reconciliation, not to play rush and Roulette with Debt Ceiling

No 4.7T Spending plan is passing until Govt and Debt Ceiling is funded

But, but, But, Biden said he was bipartisan in the Senate and work with Rs, everything he has been trying to pass is thru Reconciliation including VR, Spending and UBI benefits and immigration reform

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

But, But, but, Biden promised us Bipartisanship, obviously, that's not the case he is trying to it everything thru Reconciliation

On Sept 30, there won't be and 4=7T, when Govt shutsdown, Rs aren't voting for a Continuing Resolution with Debt Ceiling attached either
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Cruz is set to invoke Legislature Filibuster on Govt funding and Debt Ceiling
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[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

https://twitter.com/commondreams/status/1440835513833824267

As I said before, unless the Debt Ceiling is raised, There isn't gonna be a 4.7T dollar package anyways, Manchin said that D's should out it off until midterms

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I want the D's to win but, Manchin and Sinema blockade of Filibuster is shameful and it's beyond time as Clyburn said to get rid of it on Constitutional issues, the Debt Ceiling, VR and Statehood are being blockaded by a Legislature Filibuster, that's all, they should of made them do a Standing Fillibuster on VR over the Summer and we won't be going thru this, I hope next week they do that or Reform Fillibuster when Rs obstruct the Debt Ceiling increase


Rs are using the Filibuster the get back empowered and then when they get back in, they are gonna deny D Amendments

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Why should they work with the moderate wing of the party again if they're not gonna hold up their end of the bargain?

Without disagreeing with anything you've said, this feels very much like the last gasp of the "moderate" wing of the Democratic party. Manchin will be gone in 2024, and Sinema might not run at all (though an independent campaign intended to sink Gallego or whoever primaries her wouldn't shock me). The party base will pull up primary challengers for the obstructionist representatives and I wouldn't be shocked to see a number of them go down (Ed Case almost certainly, barring vote splitting).

Mind, I don't expect any Democratic majority post-2024 because of gerrymandering, suppression, and the crazy "overturn elections we lose" fascists, but once Manchin, Sinema, and their supplicants in the House are gone, we're left with Democrats we've successfully bullied into ending the filibuster and supporting wealth redistribution.

You know D's can still assume the Trifecta ya, if Biden polls go up in 13 mnths and if D's keep the H and 52+ the Filibuster is Gone in 2023/ not 2025

Users even D's have a Doomsday Scenario and we aren't past Xmas of 2021 and it's the Election is in Nov 2022


We won with 80M VBM votes compared to Rs 7oM D's tend to forget we represent BIGGER STATES THAN Rs MI, PA, CA and if Crist and Beto run good enough campaigns they can win

It's a Blk and Brown and Female Election that propelled Gavin Newsom to landslide not a White male

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

So the "vote on infrastructure bill with a deadline September 27th" was agreed on by Pelosi about a month ago.

The progressives wanted to tie the reconciliation bill into the bipartisan bill, they did not want to vote on them separately.

It's Friday, September 24th, 3 days from aforementioned deadline, and in that month, no one finished writing the reconciliation bill? For it to be voted on this coming week requires markup to be held Saturday. The Progressives are going to lose here because of majority party legislative malfunction, either due to deliberately shafting them or due to incompetence.

Charcolt:

Mind, I don't expect any Democratic majority post-2024 because of gerrymandering, suppression, and the crazy "overturn elections we lose" fascists, but once Manchin, Sinema, and their supplicants in the House are gone, we're left with Democrats we've successfully bullied into ending the filibuster and supporting wealth redistribution.

If you believe Democrats in the Senate are going to vote to end the filibuster when they become the minority party following the 2022 election, I have a house on the Moon to sell you.

A 4=7T dollar bill isn't happening until the Debt Ceiling is raised, these are wasted votes anyways

Lankford did an R presentation on why Rs are steadfast against the Debt Ceiling, 21% Corporate tax cuts raised in a Recession

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Apparently Pelosi has promised there will be a vote on Reconciliation next week. I keep hearing this on MTP Daily.

And it's a wasted vote because nothing is getting out of the Senate with the Debt Ceiling and Govt Shutdown, since Manchin and Sinema are opposed to 3.5T and won't get rid of Filibuster for Debt Ceiling

A 4=7T is going nowhere anytime soon as I keep saying this

Manchin won't get rid of Legislative Filibuster due to fact, he said he keeps looking for 10 Rs, the are 10 Moderate Rs Collins, Murk, Romney, Sasse, Cassidy, Portman and Toomey, but they are opposed to tax hike over 21%,on Corporations that  D's are trying to raise and that's why they won't lift Debt Ceiling

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The reason why Trump never had this problem with Debt Ceiling and Shutdown but only once he kept Corporate taxes at 21% and tax hikes is impossible in a 50(50 Senate D's need 52+ seats and the H to get rid of Filibuster not Manchin and Sinema

If we won too NC and ME the Filibuster would be gone

D's trying to raise taxes in a Pandemic isn't gonna happen, I agree with tac hikes

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I have no idea why they decided to take an August recess. Why leave for a 1.5 months knowing when you came back you had all these major lifts. This was just stupid on the democratic leadership. Pass the jobs and family plans, fund government and abolish the debt ceiling. Better yet fire the senate parliamentarian and pass the voting rights act. Than take a month break jeez

They thought McConnell was bluffing, on Morning Joe all the WH Staff said that McConnell wasn't gonna pull his stunt and 10 Rs would join D's to fund the GoVt

They didn't think so during a Pandemic, they were wrong

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Let's all remember Sinema and Manchin said thru the Summer they were gonna make Rs do a standing Filibuster and Rs would relent and they didn't follow thru with it when insurrection Commission was blocked, then they said in June they would make Rs do it and they didn't and then TX D's came to DC to force a Standing Fillibuster on VR, nothing followed thru

Every chance Rs blocked Bills they got away without doing a Standing Fillibuster and then Sinema went on the View and said she would never, ever get rid of Fillibuster

If D's lose control Rs are gonna deny D Amendments to bills


As of now Rs are gonna take the H, 2014/ we didn't lose until the Final weekend of the month, the worst case scenario can or cannot happen

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I have no idea why they decided to take an August recess. Why leave for a 1.5 months knowing when you came back you had all these major lifts. This was just stupid on the democratic leadership. Pass the jobs and family plans, fund government and abolish the debt ceiling. Better yet fire the senate parliamentarian and pass the voting rights act. Than take a month break jeez

Sinema refused to cancel her August vacation plans.

I’m being dead serious.

EDIT: Citation
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/07/30/sinemas-vacation-plans-manchin-gets-booed-and-megadonor-drama-493787?9

When CHUCK SCHUMER announced earlier this month that he might keep the Senate in session into August — delaying a previously scheduled recess in order to shepherd the two gigantic bills through the chamber — Sinema told the majority leader that she was not sticking around to vote, multiple Senate sources tell Playbook.

She had prior vacation plans, she said, and wasn’t about to let the infrastructure or reconciliation bills get in the way

I remember that

Ok, let her go back to Arizona or Vegas or Switz Alps. Keep the comittees writers in DC during August (Promise them time off in October). So the bills are written by September 1st and than let Manchin/Purple hair weirdo cross out the stuff they don't like instead of a few days before deadline. This just gave them a lot more levage

This 3.5T dollar package includes Medicare expansion, most of us have Medicaid or PPO and don't even need Medicare, we're not Seniors yet and Rs are right, we should expand private insurance not Medicare

We have a 29T dollar joke already, we can't pay back

D's need more votes in the Senate to pass this Law beyond 50/ they need 52 bypass Sinema

It won't become effective til 2028/ Medicare doesn't pay 100% of cost it only pays 70%

D's are so anxiety expand a program that we don't even need

Just like we don't even need a Public option either due to Medicaid

If you are a Senior and you are under income less than 1486 you still qualify for Medicaid, dual coverage

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Podesta said it's catrostriphic if we don't pass a 3=5T dollar, let the Govt shutdown and Debt Ceiling not be raised.

We can't even pay the 29T we have borrowed already, like Rs said this is an expansion, we already have Medicaid and private insurance

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Seniors don’t need good teeth.

Waste of money

Many need good dentures, though.

Medicare did you know only pays 70% of the cost, you must cover 30% if you are a Senior many seniors dont always need Dentures, implants are better than Dentures and Seniors don't always miss all their teeth.

My mom died and she was Senior with most of her teeth and Grandma

Anyways Everyone can get PPO insurance even Seniors that pays for implants if they aren't missing that many teeth.

Medicare doesn't cover implants either

But it's 100 premium on Dental only to cover implants

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

We need to expand it but we need a bigger majorities in iCongress and funding Govt is a higher priority and D's  don't have to pass it now, it won't take effect until 2028 we we're almost retired, most of us aren't disabled to the pt where Seniors are and we aren't Seniors yet PPO or Medicaid takes care of us

But, it is a Standoff unless it goes thru Reconciliation or we get rid of Fillibuster like VR, and Sinema said on View she will never vote to Eliminate the Filibuster

But, that's only if she is the tie breaker if we get 52 seats she won't be tie breaker anymore

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Corporate Dems will have to decide if they want their little bipartisan pet + a meaningful reconciliation bill, or if they want neither. Those are their only options, and they will have to live with their choice no matter what.

You know a 3.5 T Spending bill on Medicare and we aren't even Seniors yet isn't that necessary and you know that we all have health insurance and it's called PPo if you are working and Medicaid if you're Disability or working part time

Medicare doesn't even take effect until 2028

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Both bills aren't gonna pass, in the Senate, not the H, if the Ds don't fund the govt or raise the Debt Ceiling a 3.5T package isn't passing without a Debt Ceiling increase

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Biden is at war with the worst of corporate American and their army of lobbyists and legislators, we must hope for his success.

We need infrastructure but c'mon expanding Medicare isn't a priority in 3.5T dollar package and we can't even pay off 29T we already have

This isn't a Stimulus bill of 1.9T, it's a Medicare bill and it's not even gonna take effect til 2028

It's not a priority over debt ceiling, you can't play with the debt ceiling

Manchin and Sinema can break the impasse on Rs blocking Biden agenda by creating a backbone and getting rid of Fillibuster

Biden is more moderate but don't forget he defended the Filibuster allowing Manchin and Sinema to keep their position, it's the blue dogs in the Senate Corp not Biden

That's why we need 52 votes plus the H to rid the Filibuster after next yr

We can bring back Medicare Expansion next yr, it won't take effect until 2028 anyways, by 2028 we would be best retired many of us aren't close

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I hope you know this 3.5 T Spending deal is going nowhere in the Senate Manchin doesn't want a 3.5T dollar deal and Rs aren't raiding Debt Ceiling

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Vote on Debt Ceiling is gonna fail as Rs refuses to lift it for a 3.5T Reconciliation Bill momentarily, in Senate

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

It's not going to work Obama negotiated spending caps in 2011 that's why the Rs didn't Filibuster it, abd Pelosi and D's want to pass a 3.5T dollar package on 29T we already have to make it 34T

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

But, but, but, Biden TOLD US THAT HE WAS BETTER THAN BERNIE BECAUSE HE WAS BIPARTISAN, MANCHIN AND SINEMA NOT GONNA GET RID OF FILLIBUSTER AT LEAST NOT ON THE DEBT CEILING, they are opposed to 3.5T anyways want it 1.5T

THIS MEDICARE OVERHAUL DOESN'T Even TAKE EFFECT UNTIL 2028