Georgia senate seats runoff(s) megathread

[Progressive Pessimist]

Dems need to not only tie MTG/QAnon to both Loeffler and Perdue but also hit both of them HARD for the insider training stuff. There should be nonstop ads about that.

Agreed. And that should even be a tactic going forward for Democrats. Make Boebert, Taylor-Greene, and others a Republican liability like they made The Squad to us.

[Progressive Pessimist]

These races are both safe R. In 2008 Obama lost the state by 6 points, with a 3 point Senate election. Republicans won the ensuing senate runoff by 16 points or something like that.

And so ends Mr. Electajoe's Senate coattails, one of the most dismal congressional campaign failures in recent Democratic history.

I'm not particularly hopeful about these two run-offs either, but Democrats have to try. There is too much at stake to just let McConnell have these seats without a fight.

And when it comes to the down-ballot races, as disappointing as they were, Georgia is one of the few states where the Democrat elected in 2018 got re-elected and over-performed Biden, and where Democrats actually picked up a seat. It does appear that Georgian suburbanites are more willing to support Democrats down-ballot than elsewhere in the country. Hopefully that will extend to the Senate races as well. There are things that can be worked with this year as opposed to most other Georgia run-offs.

[Progressive Pessimist]

but democrats shouldn't tie MTG to republicans because reasons

Because there are probably more effective attacks.

Sure, but leaving this one on the table isn't a bad idea. Introduce the population to the lunatics. Literally why not. At the very least raise awareness.

Agreed. It's time that Democrats started playing dirty with tactics like Republicans have had success with.

[Progressive Pessimist]

https://twitter.com/KLoeffler/status/1331337613190582273

And a tweet from Leoffler.  Apparently, she is horrified that Warnock wants to end cash bail.  I guess she thinks the amount of money in your bank account should decide who waits for trial in jail and who does so in the comfort of their home...

I'm not sure this is the best issue for Loeffler (The wealthiest member of the Senate).  Of course, FoxNews will likely turn "Cash Bail" into a boogey man phrase- and less than 10% of their viewers will have a clue what cash bail is even referring to.

In my district the Republican tried using support for ending cash bail against Gottheimer and attempted to equate it to defunding the police. It obviously didn't work in that instance, but that's the real strategy here-exaggeration.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Voters won’t care about what Perdue did. The Dems need to make this about how the GOP will obstruct Biden like they did Obama.

I'll take your word for this as the proven Georgia expert. It's a shame though. Americans really should care more about corruption, but it's been evident in the Trump era that they indeed don't care or understand.

[Progressive Pessimist]

This race is now Safe R unless Perdue gets arrested or Obama campaigns for Ossoff and Warnock.

I expect Obama to be doing some campaigning eventually.

Also Trump's rallies are incidental. They simply haven't mattered in any election, win or lose, for Republicans.

[Progressive Pessimist]

With morons like them why do we even need democrats anymore ?
https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1334234120134799360?s=20

If Trump somehow gifts the Democrats the Senate that may finally be the point where the GOP establishment outright excoriates him.

It's one more reason why Ossoff and Warnock winning would immediately make up for any of the disappointments from this year's elections.

I'm not getting my hopes up for it, I expect that Republicans will still turn out like always. If this sentiment specifically came out of Trump's mouth rather than just his incompetent lawyers, then maybe it would have more of an impact. But the fact that this is even a possibly shows how much the Republicans' elevation of Trump to being a Godlike figure can be a double-eged sword.

NYT out with an analysis of Perdue's wealth portfolio and it ain't pretty.

The question is how many voters in Georgia pay attention to the New York Times? Especially those who don't vote Democratic anyway.

Not really just NYT, i feel like this has been a focus of Dem attacks, hasn't it? Enough that Perdue literally had to put an ad out that said he was "exonerated"

The only question is if the corruption angle is truly hurting Perdue or not

Maybe it's just my inherent pessimism, but I've come to realize that American voters don't really care about white-collar crimes or scandals.

On the other hand I also think it's possible that Perdue's ads referencing his "exoneration" for his alleged corruption may have a Streisand Effect and damage how he is perceived by those voters that do actually care about financial impropriety, voters who are more likely to be in the educated suburbanite category, I presume.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Things are looking very good for the dems right now I'm cautiously optimistic that we can get control of the senate.

Don't jinx it! Stay silent and let the GOP continue to run around like a headless chicken for the dumbest reasons possible. 

[Progressive Pessimist]

Things are looking very good for the dems right now I'm cautiously optimistic that we can get control of the senate.

Don't jinx it! Stay silent and let the GOP continue to run around like a headless chicken for the dumbest reasons possible. 

I figured reps would be more motivated to turn out but Trump's lawyer telling reps not to vote and Trump attacking the GA republicans could really prove decisive if just 5% of reps don't vote because of this it could very easily prove decisive with a result as close as we had in November plus all the insider trading stuff should really turnoff indys and moderates who might have been for Perdue and Loeffler Dems aren't completely favored this will come down to turnout and likely be very close I have Regular at Tossup and the special at Tilt Warnock so the race is far from over but things look good for the Dems rn

I would love it if the Republicans did end up shooting themselves in the foot with their conspiracies here, but I don't think that the base will listen unless Trump says something like that himself. I don't think too many Trump zealots actually hang on the words of his lawyers.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Trump's going full on election bullshist claiming ""Great Pollster John Mclaughlin"(Famous for showing Cantor in 34 point lead in a primary race for Cantor that he lost by 11 points) said a bunch of a bullsh**t about how his primary voters means he should have won.


https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/house-races/209327-national-republicans-dont-use-cantors-pollster

That's about what I expected. His rallies are never actually about why his crowds should vote for these candidates he is ostensibly there for as much as they are opportunities for him to engage in stream-of-consciousness grievance airing. And now there's the added consequence of him enabling the spread of the coronavirus and possibly even the stranding of his own supporters.

Also as usual, I doubt it actually affects anything, regardless of the outcome of the election.

[Progressive Pessimist]

I don't have the will to want to watch this debate but Loeffler's performance sounds loeffable.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Guys, My screen name is no joke.

Why do you prefer these candidates over their respective opponents?

I think it's parody.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Basically Loeffler is a modern generic R. This is all the party has.

_{Yet were still able to get people to ticket-split for them down-ballot somehow!}

[Progressive Pessimist]

I'm kind of shocked she even made it into the runoff tbh.

She only managed to do so because her fealty to Trump was somehow valued more, probably due to her being an incumbent Senator, than Collins'-you know, the guy who had a public tantrum during the House impeachment hearings. Yeah, that's not enough for Trump and his sycophantic base for whatever reason.

[Progressive Pessimist]

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1336101371456741376

I've been saying this all along too. Republicans always vote, and always will. The only way for Democrats to win is to outvote them, which is very simple to do but always seems harder to put into action than it should be.

[Progressive Pessimist]

https://twitter.com/DJJudd/status/1337412672422338567

I read the whole thing, and honestly lost brain cells. 

"Win Georgia. Save America?"

So are they acknowledging that Biden won the election with this slogan?

[Progressive Pessimist]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1341537886315950080

Ignoring the fact for now that he claims he may still stay in office, Trump just trashed the COVID relief package passed by Congress, saying it's full of wasteful spending unrelated to COVID and that the payments to families are far too small. Could this be a game changer for these runoffs? Ossoff and Warnock could now say, "Look I agree with President Trump on almost nothing, but he's absolutely right that Georgians deserve more relief and more cash now" and Perdue and Loeffler are on the hook for voting for it.

I'm not going to lie, this actually could be a good tactic. I don't think it alienates Biden voters very much either.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Obama also cut a minute long ad for Ossoff. Can only assume there is a separate one coming for Warnock too?

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1344365170450042881

Great ad! And I appreciate the message of "be the nation's unf***er, Georgia! We will all make sweet love to peaches like Timothee Chalamet if you do!"

[Progressive Pessimist]

If Ossoff and Warnock both won, who would be the senior senator?

I think it's alphabetical, with Ossoff having the seniority in this case.

[Progressive Pessimist]

I was on the phone hustling last minute to make sure everyone I know votes and got three family members to commit to vote tomorrow:

One registered in 2018, but has never voted.
The other voted in 2016 and that's it.
One has only voted in presidentials and never in a runoff.

If we win tomorrow, it is going to be so overwhelming.

Doing great work my friend! Don’t forget to remind them tomorrow again to vote McConnell’s ass out.

McConnell f***ing with the prospect of $2,000 stimulus checks will hopefully give some voters a tangible idea why McConnell remaining as leader is a top reason why Loeffler and Perdue should lose. I was skeptical of running against McConnell as a tactic for Democrats bearing fruit until this happened.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Whatever happens, I've kept my expectations so low for these races that I doubt I will be disappointed if Loeffler and Perdue win. Unless it's a blowout for them, that is, which it absolutely won't be. I also am taking solace in the fact that Democrats and activists contested the hell out of these races possibly as much as possible, so it's not like Democrats will have messed up as with other elections from 2020. If anything, it's the GOP who should be kicking themselves if they end up losing.

However, the revelation that SirWoodbury will take a leave of absence from the forum if Ossoff and Warnock win raises the stakes even more!

[Progressive Pessimist]

I am going to do a needle dance in the hopes that it influences the needle to bestow good results. Also I encourage everyone to make a sacrifice to the needle (though not one that harms any person or creature).

I had to throw out a sock with too many holes in it yesterday, can that count?

[Progressive Pessimist]

You know what sounds good? Fried peaches and vanilla ice cream.

That reminds me to get the Timothee Chalamet 'Call Me By Your Name' peach f***ing gifs ready if Ossoff and Warnock end up winning. Though they are probably NSFW, come (no pun intended) to think of it.

[Progressive Pessimist]

You know what sounds good? Fried peaches and vanilla ice cream.

That reminds me to get the Timothee Chalamet 'Call Me By Your Name' peach f***ing gifs ready if Ossoff and Warnock end up winning. Though they are probably NSFW, come (no pun intended) to think of it.

That would be the perfect gif for this though... IF they win.

Of course. I'm not counting our chickens before they hatch.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Trump’s ego may have doomed Republicans, it would have been much better for then if he’d just sucked up the loss and shut up. Hopefully Republicans start to turn on him if the result of his presidency is a Dem trifecta.

Also denying the reality of a Biden presidency may have backfired. If they had accepted a Biden presidency and the potential for him to have a trifecta, that could have been a great way to rally their voters against that prospect.

Still though, as good as things are looking, let's still not get ahead of ourselves on this.