Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread v2 (pg 77 - declares victory in Iowa)

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I think Warren has more of an ability to capitalize on early state wins to get a majority than Bernie does.

Why? She has considerably less appeal with non-white Democrats.

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Latinos love Senator Sanders!

https://www.univision.com/univision-news/politics/sanders-and-biden-win-third-democratic-debate-cement-position-as-favorites-among-hispanics

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https://twitter.com/adamkelsey/status/1178972826792943623?s=19

Atlas Forum is not going to be happy about this.

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This thread is classy as ever.

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Hope Sen. Sanders recovers well. Is there any plausible reason he would cancel the ad buy besides that he's seriously considering the future of the campaign? I don't want to jump to conclusions.

The most likely reason is that the Sanders campaign was coordinating a barnstorm of Iowa with the ads on TV, sorta like a 1-2 knockout blow for IA Democrats. But with Sanders out of combat for now, the ads would just play by themselves, making them less effective and still as expensive.

The cancellation came really quick, even before the news had broken that Sanders had went to the doctor earlier, so I have my doubts that the cause was that Sanders thinks that he should possibly drop out(to the chagrin of many posters here). We will see how things develop from here.

That is exactly what I was thinking.

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For the question of what Bernie needs to do, here is my opinion as someone who had a very high opinion of him until 2015-16, but became disenchanted:

3. The only image I have of Bernie is of him hunched over a podium with looking angry and deshevled. It's very on-brand, but it can be off-putting for an undecided voter watching a debate. I don't think he needs to stop being a firebrand or comb his hair - far from it. I think we need to see what makes him laugh, though, and maybe see him not in a suit a couple of times. Maybe he can do some kind of Vermont campfire townhall where he wears flannel and tells a bunch of stories about his misadventures over the years and talks about his family.

Bernie is notoriously uncomfortable talking about his personal life. I wonder if he thinks it is a gimmick and that politics should just be about the issues. I think this is a great tip for his campaign but he won't do it.

Probably doesn’t want to talk about being a deadbeat father, who stole electricity and cable from his neighbors, lived on a commune and didn’t contribute, and being this radical social justice warrior who ran to white Vermont and didn’t vote until he was 40 (for himself).

This junk post gets to stay but my response to it doesn't? Sad!

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https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1179889705673871360

Barnstorming is back on the menu

Sounds like the whole thing wasn't nearly as serious as may have been initially feared.

Great stuff. I do hope he at least takes it easy for a week or two though.

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Sanders to scale back his campaign activity:

https://twitter.com/ryanobles/status/1181689439690604545

Good! He has plenty of surrogates. He doesn't need to be everywhere, his health should come first.

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He basically just says he's going to try doing two rallies a day instead of three or four. That's just common sense at this point, not much of a breaking news story.

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Anyone want to guess the odds Bernie's heart attack is mentioned by the moderators or another candidate?

It will almost certainly be brought up by a moderator but I doubt any of the other candidates will speak about it unless they are asked about it directly.

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I think his consideration numbers probably weren't helped by the fact that his heart attack was discussed but it's just one poll, who knows...

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The Warren people are getting a bit shook what with Bernie knocking her off in New Hampshire and starting to catch her nationally again. Sad!

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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1189312463759650821

Nice hit piece by CNN who are also clearly shook. Warren won't even say if taxes will go up!

Hilarious.

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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1189312463759650821

Nice hit piece by CNN who are also clearly shook. Warren won't even say if taxes will go up!

Hilarious.

It's true that Warren's evasion on this issue has gotten absolutely no news coverage, good point.

Nowhere near the amount it should be getting, yes.

Especially when all she has to do is be honest and say the same thing Sanders is.

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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1189312463759650821

Nice hit piece by CNN who are also clearly shook. Warren won't even say if taxes will go up!

Hilarious.

It's true that Warren's evasion on this issue has gotten absolutely no news coverage, good point.

Nowhere near the amount it should be getting, yes.

Especially when all she has to do is be honest and say the same thing Sanders is.

What should have gotten more coverage 9 months ago is that a major presidential frontrunner has had no way to fund his epically expensive signature proposal. That's the first question that is normally asked of any plan, and Warren has always released how she'll pay for all of her plans.

It's not very honest to promise a $34 trillion handout and then not say how you're going to pay for it.  It's incredible that Sanders has been allowed to get away with it for this long.

What are you on about, Beet? Do tell me Warren's plan to pay for her version of M4A because she won't even say that she's going to raise taxes.

Sanders has said from the beginning that taxes will have to go up to pay for it.

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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1189312463759650821

Nice hit piece by CNN who are also clearly shook. Warren won't even say if taxes will go up!

Hilarious.

It's true that Warren's evasion on this issue has gotten absolutely no news coverage, good point.

Nowhere near the amount it should be getting, yes.

Especially when all she has to do is be honest and say the same thing Sanders is.

What should have gotten more coverage 9 months ago is that a major presidential frontrunner has had no way to fund his epically expensive signature proposal. That's the first question that is normally asked of any plan, and Warren has always released how she'll pay for all of her plans.

It's not very honest to promise a $34 trillion handout and then not say how you're going to pay for it.  It's incredible that Sanders has been allowed to get away with it for this long.

What are you on about, Beet? Do tell me Warren's plan to pay for her version of M4A because she won't even say that she's going to raise taxes.

Sanders has said from the beginning that taxes will have to go up to pay for it.

It's not Warren's plan. He's the one going around saying he "wrote the damn bill", but he forgot to write actually hard part, which is how it will be paid for. It's not hard to write a bill that just promises trillions of free stuff. Warren's been working on the funding for months since this is a complicated topic, but she'll eventually release her plan.

Oh so Sanders needs to explain exactly how it will be funded right now but Warren doesn't need to tell us anything about how she'll do it until she's good and ready? Gotcha.

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Oh so Sanders needs to explain exactly how it will be funded right now but Warren doesn't need to tell us anything about how she'll do it until she's good and ready? Gotcha.

The richest part of this post is that you somehow simultaneously think the argument is hypocritical and that both parts of it are wrong.

"Both parts of it are wrong"? Care to elaborate?

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I'll bet you good money that Sanders hasn't the slightest clue how his proposal is going to be funded. It's like his "break the big banks" proposal where when he was pressed by that New York paper to explain his plan he looked like a deer in headlights.

So what's your candidate's plan to fund it? Nobody can seem to give me an answer on this.

At least Sanders admits that taxes will be raised which is a start. Warren won't even commit to that.

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I'll bet you good money that Sanders hasn't the slightest clue how his proposal is going to be funded. It's like his "break the big banks" proposal where when he was pressed by that New York paper to explain his plan he looked like a deer in headlights.

So what's your candidate's plan to fund it? Nobody can seem to give me an answer on this.

At least Sanders admits that taxes will be raised which is a start. Warren won't even commit to that.

You don't seem to read the news.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/warren-says-she-will-soon-release-plan-fund-medicare-all-n1069251

I think Warren made a mistake by committing to this Medicare for All fantasy.
But for Sanders fans to accuse her for lack of specifics, that's real chutzpah. 

I'm pretty sure you were the one throwing around the accusations. Look at your original post.

I just asked what her plan was to fund M4A. As you just confirmed yourself, she doesn't have one yet.

So maybe you guys should wait until she actually has one before you start ragging on Bernie. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones as they say.

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I'm pretty sure you were the one throwing around the accusations. Look at your original post.

I just asked what her plan was to fund M4A. As you just confirmed yourself, she doesn't have one yet.

So maybe you guys should wait until she actually has one before you start ragging on Bernie. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones as they say.

Warren is working on a plan which she promised to unveil soon.
Sanders OTOH admitted that not only doesn't have a plan but isn't even going to bother with making one.
If you think that they are the same then that's not my fault.

And again, the part you conveniently continue to ignore. This is Sanders' signature policy. He ought to be ready to answer everything thrown at him after all these years.

Please point me to where Sanders said exactly that.

It's essentially Warren's signature policy as well, even though she lifted it from him. But I get it, there are different standards for him and her. We're waiting for the plan... I think we'll be waiting for a while! That's okay, I hope it's good. I actually like Warren for the most part after all.

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I'm pretty sure you were the one throwing around the accusations. Look at your original post.

I just asked what her plan was to fund M4A. As you just confirmed yourself, she doesn't have one yet.

So maybe you guys should wait until she actually has one before you start ragging on Bernie. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones as they say.

Warren is working on a plan which she promised to unveil soon.
Sanders OTOH admitted that not only doesn't have a plan but isn't even going to bother with making one.
If you think that they are the same then that's not my fault.

And again, the part you conveniently continue to ignore. This is Sanders' signature policy. He ought to be ready to answer everything thrown at him after all these years.

Please point me to where Sanders said exactly that.

In the Harwood interview we posted. He said that there is no reason to become specific until the moment he is sworn in as president.

No he doesn't. He says he's not going to give an exact detailed plan for how to pay for all of it "right now".

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Bernie isn't going to get the nomination. At this point the only thing he stands for is his policies. Mayor Pete can even overtake him and get into thrid place now.

Good luck with that.

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 Bernie has just gotten to second place on the RCP and he performed well enough at the last debate.

That's based entirely on the Emerson poll, though. We've been in a bit of a polling drought, and probably that'll last through next week? It'll be interesting to see if Emerson's numbers are reflected elsewhere when we start getting lots of polls again.

I get that this post is pretty dated but Sanders is indeed ahead of Warren in almost every major poll now.

That said, Emerson continues to produce stronger numbers for Sanders than other polls.

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 Bernie has just gotten to second place on the RCP and he performed well enough at the last debate.

That's based entirely on the Emerson poll, though. We've been in a bit of a polling drought, and probably that'll last through next week? It'll be interesting to see if Emerson's numbers are reflected elsewhere when we start getting lots of polls again.

I get that this post is pretty dated but Sanders is indeed ahead of Warren in almost every major poll now.

That said, Emerson continues to produce stronger numbers for Sanders than other polls.

Let's see what the average looks like now that the Emerson poll has fallen off.



Oh, Bernie Sanders is exactly back where he was before his "surge" that was solely contained in one poll.

He is back in second, but that's due to Warren's decline, not due to any increase in his support.

Not sure if this is supposed to be directed at me specifically but all I said was that Sanders is ahead of Warren now which he clearly is whether you include the Emerson poll in the average or not.

Not great news for Senator Warren!

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It's crazy to see the New York Times actually printing some positive stories about Bernie lately. I wonder what got into the water over there?