Michigan 2010

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Alright, I'll analyze what's been discussed so far:

John Cherry: Only has a chance if Granholm resigns early.  Otherwise, he has got ZERO name recognition.  He is a very personable guy though, so that'd help.

Andy Dillon: Too much baggage with the service tax bill.  If he wins the nomination, the MI Dems are the stupidest people ever.  He'd get slaughtered.

Dennis Archer: He's got a good shot at it.

Bart Stupak: A decent shot.  He's pro-life, and MI is a pro-life state, so that'd help.  He'd also win the rural areas, and he'd carry MI-1, maybe even counties like Cheboygan county.  His biggest hurdle would be the primary race.

Robert Ficano: Another good shot.

Don Williamson: Mayor of Flint?  Flint isn't exactly our role model city.  No chance this is gonna happen.

Republicans:

Mike Bishop: Good shot at it.  But he'd have to get through the primary, and he's not one of the big names being backed by anybody in the party (yet).

Mike Cox: Good shot at winning the primary, but depending on who he goes up against, he may or may not do so well.  I think Archer would beat him, but he has a decent chance.  As long as no party infighting hurts him.

Dick DeVos: I liked him in '06.  I think he MIGHT be able to pull off a win in the general election now, but I don't think he'll win the primary.

Candace Miller: She's been out of the media attention too long in my opinion.  I don't see it happening.

Pete Hoekstra: I like him, but I don't think he'd win the primary.  He might win the general - I really don't know.

Terri Lynn Land: HUGE popularity in the state.  If she wins the primary, she's all but guaranteed to win.  Again, same primary situation as Cox.  If those 2 go at it, it could tear the party apart.

Mike Rogers: Haven't heard about him running.  I don't have an opinion either way.

Mitt Romney: HAHA.  Moving on.


Phil, what's wrong with Hoekstra?  He's one of the best conservatives in Congress.  He's stood up and spoken out against the fiscal moderate liberalism of Bush.

Spencer Abraham: He's been out of it too long.  Plus, I don't know if he would win, even in the primary.  People liked him as a Senator, but he did get voted out, so I don't see him doing well.

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Phil, what's wrong with Hoekstra? 

He's infected.

What are you talking about?

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Phil, what's wrong with Hoekstra? 

He's infected.

What are you talking about?

He was born in The Netherlands.

I like him.  I don't think he'll run, but I like him.

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Phil, as an Italian, hates the Dutch.

Phil, as a sane citizen of the world,....

should like or be neutral on Dutch.

This is coming from a resident of region with close ties to my most disliked group of people. 

Many of us in Quebec hate your most hated group of people. They give us to the Great Britain for stop a war than France was losing. There is some hatred of French because of that. The french-speaking catholic people didn't want to be with english-speaking protestants.  

I don't know many things of Michigan. Probably the winner will be the one who sells the best his way of improving economy of Michigan. Michigan's economy is in bad shape.

You'd think that'd be how it'd go.  Then again, Detroit did reelect Kwame Kilpatrick.

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Dick DeVos announced today that he will NOT run for Governor in 2010.

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That's good. It sounds like Terri Lynn Land is the best option for the Republicans?

In my opinion.  Mike Cox wouldn't be bad either.

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Are there any Economic Leftist that are also Republican in Michigan? That seems like the ebst choice for Republicans.

Not that I know of.  There's a lot of DINOs that are conservative in Wayne County, that tend to be socially conservative but fiscally liberal/moderate-liberal (my state Rep. and Senator, Robert Ficano, etc).

There a Republicans who are fiscally conservative, but socially moderate (Rep. Fred Upton).

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He was just an example.  I haven't heard rumors of him running, and if he did, he'd lose the primary.

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Willamson is a joke. and a convict to boot.

Who's that now?

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I have noticed a general divide in MI GOP. I beleive it stems from the rivalry of Saul Anuzis and Chuck Yob. Are any candidates aligned with either faction. That could cause a problem if they are aligned with either faction.

It does stem from that rivalry, and no, no candidates have aligned with either faction.  Although I've  heard that there may even be a splitting between the Yob faction.  I'm not sure what's been causing that rift though.

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I have noticed a general divide in MI GOP. I beleive it stems from the rivalry of Saul Anuzis and Chuck Yob. Are any candidates aligned with either faction. That could cause a problem if they are aligned with either faction.

It does stem from that rivalry, and no, no candidates have aligned with either faction.  Although I've  heard that there may even be a splitting between the Yob faction.  I'm not sure what's been causing that rift though.

Hasn't Anuzis said he's going to run for RNC chairman?

Yes.  So he'll get the Romney/Anuzis people.

There's curiousity over how the Yob people will split.

Personally, I don't know who I'm backing, but I've always been fond of Michael Steele.

But back to the Gubernatorial topic...

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I think that one of Cox and Lynn Land should wait to take on Stabenow in 2012. She barely won in 2000 and I feel like she got a free pass in 2006 cause of the debacle of a year it was for the GOP, she will deff. be beatable in 2012.

I was thinking the same thing myself.

Both of them are termed out in 2010, so I think they may run so they don't become forgotten.

I dont think sitting out a year or so and than launching a senate campaign will cause them to become forgotten.

They're not "known" enough as it is.

Cox and Land?  Land just put out the special drivers' license program, and Cox has been talked about in the media with the Kwame Kilpatrick case.

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Well Hello again!

If Ficano gets in the race he could win the primary. If he gets in. he has a very safe job as county executive. 

As for the Republicans, Mike Cox has the best chance. Thankfully DeVos isn't running, or your looking at  losing by 25% and losing the state senate.

I still say Land.  She's a lot more popular thank Cox.

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I agree. Lynn-Land is much less controversial than Cox. I might even vote for her! (Depending on the quality of the Democratic candidate and how she preforms throughout the campaign.

And it's people like you that are the reason I think she'll win.  She won with over 56% of the vote in 2006.  And that was a BAD Republican year.  I think she could win pretty easily, especially now that Archer is not running.

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Mike Bishop is the State Senate Majority Leader. He's pretty much been a total obstructionist since 2007(when the D's took over the state house.) I don't know how strong he is with the establishment GOP (Anuzis, DeVos's, Romney's, Engler's...) I doubt he'd poll very strong as of now.. given how popular our state political leaders are as of now.

How strong a candidate would Whitmer be?

I'd never heard of her, so Bishop beats her on name recognition.  However, I haven't heard any inside rumors that Bishop is running, so I doubt that'd happen.  I have heard more chatter about U.S. Representative Pete Hoekstra (R-2? - West side - I think it's 2) running, but nothing that's confirmed.

Whitmer would also have to overcome the Democrat woman stigma that Granholm will somewhat leave behind (which I don't think is that much of a factor, but a lot of Terri Lynn Land supporters worry about that).

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I agree. Lynn-Land is much less controversial than Cox. I might even vote for her! (Depending on the quality of the Democratic candidate and how she preforms throughout the campaign.

And it's people like you that are the reason I think she'll win.  She won with over 56% of the vote in 2006.  And that was a BAD Republican year.  I think she could win pretty easily, especially now that Archer is not running.

What did Cox do that is so controversial?

Had an affair, but confessed b/c he was being blackmailed by Jeoffrey Feiger (allegedly).  And he was somewhat involved in getting rid of Kwame Kilpatrick, so he really loses any chance of black votes by doing that.

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Fred Upton should run.

I wouldn't support him - he's too liberal - especially on fiscal issues.

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I agree. Lynn-Land is much less controversial than Cox. I might even vote for her! (Depending on the quality of the Democratic candidate and how she preforms throughout the campaign.

And it's people like you that are the reason I think she'll win.  She won with over 56% of the vote in 2006.  And that was a BAD Republican year.  I think she could win pretty easily, especially now that Archer is not running.

What did Cox do that is so controversial?

Had an affair, but confessed b/c he was being blackmailed by Jeoffrey Feiger (allegedly).  And he was somewhat involved in getting rid of Kwame Kilpatrick, so he really loses any chance of black votes by doing that.

How did he get elected Atty Gen with that record?

The Kwame thing just happened.  The affair happened years ago and he admitted it when he was being blackmailed, so he really looked like the victim - that and his wife supported him and they went through counseling - Feiger came out of that looking like a puppy killer.

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Fred Upton should run.

I wouldn't support him - he's too liberal - especially on fiscal issues.

Well, you're not gonna get anywhere with a the Dutch man.

The only two Republicans I can see winning now are Miller and Lynn-Land. Cox might make it close but I doubt he could get above 48%.

I really don't want Cherry to win, I just want a clean start with anyone not too Granholm-tainted. (Though I heard that lawmakers actually love Cherry in comparison with Granholm. Maybe because he used to be one of them?)

Miller won't win.  She's pissed off too many Republicans, and she's not a big enough name to win Dems.  Lynn Land is the only one who can do it, in my opinion.

People love Cherry - he's one of the friendliest politicians in the state.

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Oakland County Executive L. Brooks Patterson (R), a social moderat (pro-choice, pro-gay stuff - i'm not sure if he supports marriage or civil unions or what, so I used the word "stuff") threw his hat in the ring.  I may have to reconsider supporting Terri Lynn Land now - even though Patterson is a social moderate, I love him fiscally.

I'm really undecided now.

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Well, Patterson is a no go for me. Pretty much the opposite of what I believe (bar a few issues). Macomb County Sheriff Mark Hackel also formed a exploratory comm. 

I never noticed your PM score is so socially conservative.

Oh, and I believe John Cherry (Lt. Gov) announced today or yesterday as well, but tha wasn't a surprise.

Patterson was, but he won't win.  He can't win the primary b/c of his social standings, and he's to obnoxious (but I like that) to win the general.

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Romney will be too busy running for President to run for Governor.

That, and he doesn't live here.