Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

[Not Me, Us]

Passing this and the For the People Act would make Biden a historic president. This alone would write Biden into the history books with the likes of FDR and LBJ as one of the most anti-poverty presidents ever. Bidenomics here we come!

[Not Me, Us]

If this passes, Biden goes down as a top 5 President

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1424727128944353283

Add a gerrymandering ban, voting rights, and DC/PR statehood (with an established path for the others if they want it) and Biden may end up on Rushmore.

Let's add a public option too while we're at it.

[Not Me, Us]

I feel so disillusioned right now. Inaction by the Democrats have made me feel like not wanting to vote. What's the point?

Congressional Democrats should be ashamed that they allowed two Republicans to completely stall their agenda, and I won't shed any tears when they lose big in 2022. It is entirely their fault.

[Not Me, Us]

Extremely disappointing that we're letting DINOs get their way. The Democratic Party is a joke.

[Not Me, Us]

Progressives are doing the right thing. If we let this bill pass without reconciliation, there will be no reconciliation bill. We can't let right-wing DINOs destroy the President's agenda.

[Not Me, Us]

Progressives can't cave. If the coporatists won't play ball, then kill their precious "bipartisan" bill. 2022 is going to be a blood bath, and if Democrats can't pass this popular, important reconciliation bill, then they deserve every bit of what's coming.

[Not Me, Us]

Progressives can't cave. If the coporatists won't play ball, then kill their precious "bipartisan" bill. 2022 is going to be a blood bath, and if Democrats can't pass this popular, important reconciliation bill, then they deserve every bit of what's coming.

Thankfully, it'll be the centrist/corporatist wing of the party that gets annihilated.

Maybe it would be for the best. Purge the far-right from the party and rebuild it by and for working people.

[Not Me, Us]

Progressives can't cave. If the coporatists won't play ball, then kill their precious "bipartisan" bill. 2022 is going to be a blood bath, and if Democrats can't pass this popular, important reconciliation bill, then they deserve every bit of what's coming.

Thankfully, it'll be the centrist/corporatist wing of the party that gets annihilated.

Maybe it would be for the best. Purge the far-right from the party and rebuild it by and for working people.

One could hope

But serious question, as I've been reading your posts closely. What could Biden realistically do to get Manchin and Sinema in line? All this "be like LBJ" talk is really just vague nothingness. They have all the leverage, and if we threaten to take their committees and kick them out of the caucus, I'm not sure if that actually brings them in line, what stops them from just sinking our agenda anyway.

At minimum he should be applying public pressure. Make it abundantly clear to the American people that 2 Senators are holding up progress and call them out for it. He also needs to push publicly for filibuster reform. Most people aren't paying attention. Let the people of AZ know that Sinema is holding up the agenda of the President their state voted for. I still think Manchin can be reasoned with, but Biden really needs to hold Sinema's feet to the fire.

[Not Me, Us]

At this moment, Pelosi in all likelyhood delays the vote. I'd be really surprised otherwise.

She stated in a press conference 10 minutes ago they're having a vote today.

She must have the votes from Republicans then, because all the messaging from the progressive caucus has indicated that they're a united front in voting against the bill. She wouldn't bring it for a vote if it wasn't going to pass.

[Not Me, Us]

I'm not married to a specific number, but I would need to see the details of the bill to know whether I'm okay with it or not.

[Not Me, Us]

It's a shame progressives lost here. Mark my words: there will be no reconciliation bill.

[Not Me, Us]

I would vote Yes if I were in the House - this may be all we ever get. But Sinema's treachery should never be forgotten or forgiven.

This is a great accomplishment for the Biden administration. He finally gets a big package deal passed long in the works, so I don't know what's with all the gloom and doom. In fact, Sinema mentioned today using reconciliation to pass healthcare reform, if I'm not mistaken, so things are looking up.

You're mistaken.

[Not Me, Us]

This bill is an insult. The Democrats will reap what they sow come midterms.

[Not Me, Us]

Why the hell did Cunnigham cheat on his wife ??

GAHH !!

I hear this a lot when talking about gridlock in Washington, but I really don't think Cunningham would have won even without the scandal. Biden lost NC, and I don't really see why Cunningham, who was already a pretty weak candidate, would outperform the top of the ticket.

[Not Me, Us]

If paid leave, medicare age lowering and dental, vision, hearing expansion, free community college, the signature environmental policy are out, literally what remains in the bill? No one has given a clear answer.

Can any red avatars tell me what the point of voting for Democrats is? This bill will not noticeably improve anybody's lives. Nobody is going to look at this bill and decide to reelect Democrats because of it. All this charade has accomplished is destroying Democratic enthusiasm going into the offyear gubernatorial elections and prove that the Democratic party is ridiculously incompetent, with several elected officials who are just straight up evil. I want Dems to win in 2022 and 2024, but I really can't blame laymen for looking at four years of nothing and deciding to vote red or not at all. The Democrats have done nothing to earn anybody's votes as far as I'm concerned.

The United States will fall to far-right Republican fascism and the fault lies squarely on Joe Biden and the Democratic Party. Progressives have the power to kill both of these bills and need to do asap. Punish Manchin/Sinema.

[Not Me, Us]

The new "framework" is fine, it's the best we're going to get, but it needs to pass as an actual bill before the BIP. There are very few people in the world who I trust less than Manchin and Sinema.

[Not Me, Us]

Prescription drug price negotiations would be a game changer. The most important part of the bill after the climate stuff, so if we could get that back in, then baby, we got a stew going.

[Not Me, Us]

"I don't know f---ing anything about this bill but I'm pretty sure it's really bad."

Sounds like a joke, but this is literally a conversation I had two days ago on one of my groupchats that has a bunch of progressives.  They all decided, after Biden made the deal, that they hated it and it shouldn't pass at all!  Eventually after some arguing, one of them said, "what is actually in the bill?"  Like she literally didn't even know.  And after I listed ten things that were in the bill the entire GroupChat just went completely dead and the conversation was never resumed.

I don't think we should be trying too hard to market this bill to the American people yet since we may market it using things that are later taken out, which they'll see as a betrayal of trust.

As Pelosi once famously said, "we have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it!"

They were all progressives huh?

You know it’s fake because it implies GMac has friends.

[Not Me, Us]

The ask for drought resilience funds makes sense. Her objection to closing the carried interest loophole doesn't make sense, and she's never explained her objection either.

She just wants to stroke her ego, she has no genuine ideological convictions.

[Not Me, Us]

As I said, the idea of expelling Sinema from the caucus looks more and more appealing. Manchin has some convictions, no matter how vague, and also is the only option.

Sinema is willing to pull the ladder she climbed up from behind her and leave us in the dirt for her own career prospects. Unfortunately, this type of shunning seems to only be reserved for Van Drew.

That would give Republicans a majority, wouldn't it?