🇩🇪 German elections (federal & EU level)

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And the Wahl-o-mat is BACK... sort of.

Someone programmed an open source-based clone who supposedly gives the same answers as the real thing:

www.wahlom.at

Sorry, neither Firefox nor my virus scanner let me enter that site. 😂

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And the Wahl-o-mat is BACK... sort of.

Someone programmed an open source-based clone who supposedly gives the same answers as the real thing:

www.wahlom.at

Sorry, neither Firefox nor my virus scanner let me enter that site. 😂

Mine does... apparently the guy who programmed this site is/was (?) the chair of the Left Party youth organization in Hamburg.

The original Wahl-O-Mat is back on the net!

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EU poll:



Keep in mind that there is no threshold set for the election to the EU Parliament.
The parties that each sent one member to Strasbourg in 2014 were:
Free Voters (1.5%), Pirates (1.4%), Animal Protection Party (1.2%), NPD (1.0%), Family (0.7%), ÖDP (0.6%), Die PARTEI (0,6%).

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I think, people will get confused by the three Animal protection parties competing. Not all of them are left-wing. ;-)

There are four animal welfare parties:

• Tierschutzpartei
• Tierschutzallianz
• PARTEI FÜR DIE TIERE
• TIERSCHUTZ hier!

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Here are the German EU election result of 2014:

CDU SPD GRÜNE DIE LINKE AfD CSU FDP FREIE WÄHLER PIRATEN Tierschutzpartei NPD FAMILIE ÖDP Die PARTEI REP Volksabstimmung BP PBC PRO NRW AUF CM DKP MLPD BüSo PSG

EVP SPE EGP EL – EVP ALDE EDP PPEU EA7 – – – – – – EFA ECPB – ECPB – EL – – –

8.812.653 8.003.628 3.139.274 2.168.455 2.070.014 1.567.448 986.841 428.800 425.044 366.598 301.139 202.803 185.244 184.709 109.757 88.535 62.438 55.336 52.649 50.953 30.136 25.147 18.198 10.369 8.924

30,0 % 27,3 % 10,7 % 7,4 % 7,1 % 5,3 % 3,4 % 1,5 % 1,4 % 1,2 % 1,0 % 0,7 % 0,6 % 0,6 % 0,4 % 0,3 % 0,2 % 0,2 % 0,2 % 0,2 % 0,1 % 0,1 % 0,1 % 0,0 % 0,0 %

29 27 11 7 7 5 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 – – – – – – – – – – –

EVP S&D Grüne/EFA GUE/NGL EKR EVP ALDE ALDE Grüne/EFA GUE/NGL fraktionslos EKR Grüne/EFA fraktionslos – – – – – – – – – – –

The two Christian-fundamentalist parties PBC (Partei Bibeltreuer Christen / "Party of bible-abiding Christians") and AUF merged into a newly founded party called Bündnis C in 2015. Arne Gericke, who was elected to the European Parliament via the Family Party, joined Bündnis C last year (after a quick side-trip to the Free Voters). Thus, that new party is represented in the current EU Parliament.

Büso is the party led by Helga Zepp-LaRouche. Yes, she is his wife, and yes, she's as crazy as him...

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State map



County map

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Any word on who will form government in Bremen?

Wrong thread!

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From what I sometimes see of East German AfD supporters on Facebook (a few of them I even knew personally) their voters in the east have started to embrace some sort of bizarre "East German nationalism". For instance, profile pictures that depict East Germany as the "Real Germany", while West Germany is the "Muslim Germany" are not uncommon. Often this is  intermingled with "Proud to be born in the GDR" pictures or the East German flag and the like. East Germany is 97% White therefore only that party counts is German etc. Sometimes I wonder when they will start to go fully separatist?

That makes me wonder, is there anyone who wants the former GDR to secede from the rest of Germany?

After all, I imagine there must be at least a few tankie communists who opposed reunification in 1990 or something right?

There are not few West Germans who want the former GDR to secede, and that isn't even completely new wishful thinking. Nowadays many left-wing populists make such a demand due to the rise of the AfD in East Germany, whereas ten years ago it was conservatives and neoliberals who suppoerted that idea due to the extreme unemployment rate and therefore the primacy of the Left.
Fun fact: The satire party DIE PARTEI called for the re-erection of the Berlin Wall during their foundation in 2004 as many West Germans and also some East Germans advocated for that suggestion.

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Aaaaaaargh... Crabby!!!

You preempted my by one minute...

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So, who do you think will become the Green chancellery candidate?
They usually have two top candidates, one male and one female, which actually doesn't make any sense.
When they nominate a candidate via primary, they will have to settle for one single party member.
Who do you think they will decide upon? Probably upon this guy?

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I don't know if anyone has already mentioned it, but the following bar graph says it all:

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So are we expected to believe some AfD voters have gone to the Greens?

There is this thing called "churn"......

But yeah, that a relatively small number might have done that isn't so outlandish shurely?

During the European election, they indeed did:



Here's an interactive overview about all shift of votes.

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It would be intresting to see what would happen if the Greens went way over to the right on immigration and retained their other policies.  Would they be able to absorb lots of voters on the right, and still retain the bulk of their current voters?

You mean like the Baden-Württemberg Greens do?
They are pretty right-wing and have only few in common with the latte liberal Greens from Prenzlauer Berg.
Tübingen Mayor Boris Palmer, for example, regularly provokes fierce public controversy; just recently he complained about the German railway company Deutsche Bahn not showing enough Germans without a migratory background in their advertisements. The controversy he caused was so bitter that other Green politicians pressed for his exclusion.

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It would be intresting to see what would happen if the Greens went way over to the right on immigration and retained their other policies.  Would they be able to absorb lots of voters on the right, and still retain the bulk of their current voters?

You mean like the Baden-Württemberg Greens do?
They are pretty right-wing and have only few in common with the latte liberal Greens from Prenzlauer Berg.
Tübingen Mayor Boris Palmer, for example, regularly provokes fierce public controversy; just recently he complained about the German railway company Deutsche Bahn not showing enough Germans without a migratory background in their advertisements. The controversy he caused was so bitter that other Green politicians pressed for his exclusion.

Huh, I thought the BW Greens (or conserva-greens in general) were more of the "socially liberal, fiscally right wing style" and not the other way around

Not the other way round, they are both: fiscally and socially (relatively) conservative. Plus strictly anti-vaxx.
The rise of the Greens occurred in 2010 when Stuttgart 21, a railroad project that is supposed to turn Stuttgart Main Station from a terminal station into a through station, thus destroying many green areas around the station. The CDU/FDP government under Stefan Mappus was so right-wing and authoritarian that they had the demonstrations brutally quelled. That plus the Fukushima disaster caused the inevitable rise of the Greens in Swabia.
That Stuttgart 21 project is still not finished, btw.
The BW are furthermore so pro-economy that one of Germany's most successful and wealthiest businessmen, Wolfgang Grupp, who has his apparel solely and exclusively produced in Germany, endorsed the Greens for the 2016 state election.

As many of you seem to speak/understand German for some inexplicable reasons, here is a song by German's second-biggest and third-best satire show extra 3 about BW Governor Winfried Kretschmann:

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Its hard to see what the SPD could do to slip even further into irrelevance, but they will probably manage it.

Some of us predicted this when they agreed to another GroKo.

Yup, Nahles just resigned as Party and Parliamentary leader.

🦀*cue the crab rave* 🦀

I dont see the next Spd leader being some sort of corbyn-style "leave the coaltion" guy (like Comrade Kühnert), but this party (and this goverment) is definitely in free-fall. This feels alot like Austria in early 2017.

She hasn't resigned yet; she merely announced her purpose of resignation in the future.

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Well, this was inevitable after Scholz, Dreyer and Schwesig published a letter declaring their "full support" for Nahles.

When will Merkel finally express her fullest confidence in AKK? 

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Yeah, she has not given a date yet, but she will announce it tomorrow probably, when she makes the official statement.
There have been rumors in the press about a possible party coup by Martin Schultz Schulz, so he is a possible candidate. Maybe Ralf Stegner too (who has 0 Charisma but is on the left of the party)? Otherwise maybe scholtz will, if they want stick to their current course? I cant imagine anyone really wanting the job though, since a number of possible sub-10% state elections for the spd are coming up in the east.

Are you talking about the party chairmanship or faction leadership, both of which Nahles is about to resign?

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If our ÖVP-FPÖ government were still in office and running smoothly, I would make some jokes about Nahles now, being a clown etc., but considering our own state right now, I'm not ...

How dare some make jokes about a lovely lady like Andrea Nahles...

Or about Nahles and AKK at the same time... 

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Yeah, she has not given a date yet, but she will announce it tomorrow probably, when she makes the official statement.
There have been rumors in the press about a possible party coup by Martin Schultz Schulz, so he is a possible candidate. Maybe Ralf Stegner too (who has 0 Charisma but is on the left of the party)? Otherwise maybe scholtz will, if they want stick to their current course? I cant imagine anyone really wanting the job though, since a number of possible sub-10% state elections for the spd are coming up in the east.

Are you talking about the party chairmanship or faction leadership, both of which Nahles is about to resign?

The party chairmanship and the position of Spitzenkandidat in a eventual (snap?) election.

If we strictly abide by the law of the series, Vice-Chancellor Olaf Scholz ought to become the next chancellery candidate: Scharping - Schröder - Schteinmeier - Schteinbrück - Chulz Schulz - Scholz ...
Okay, Stegner would also fulfull that condition, but he is done with politics. He has just recently resigned as chairman of the Schleswig-Holstein state SPD. He could not become Bundestag faction leader, as he is a member of the Schleswig-Holstein Landtag.

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Here are some updates as concerning the SPD drama:

Nahles obviously also wants to resign her Bundestag seat.
Former SPD-SH chairman Ralf Stegner proposed determining the new chairperson via primary election.
(That happened in 1993, when 1994 chancellery candidate Rudolf Scharping beat future chancellor Gerhard Schröder and left-wing populist Heidemarie Wieczorek-Zeul, and in 1995, when Scharping succumbed to Oskar Lafontaine in a very close primary election.)
Rhineland-Palatinate Governor Malu Dreyer is reported to become the interim chairwoman.
Vice-Chancellor and Finance Minister Olaf Scholz declined the offer of becoming chairman or faction leader.

And here are the greatest hits Andreas Nahles: Schnuffi Buffi, Mindestlohni, Bätschi, or otherwise she's gonna smash your face in! 😂

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Vice-Chancellor and Finance Minister Olaf Scholz declined the offer of becoming chairman or faction leader.

I take it none of the major figures in the party want the poisoned chalice known as the SPD chairmanship?

LOL. The opposite is true. A rumor is circulating that three Social Democrats at wants want share that position:
RP Governor Malu Dreyer, MV Governor Manuela Schwesig and Hesse thrice-non-Governor Schäfer-Gümbel want to occupy the chairmanship provisionally. TOGETHER!

Some unknown member of parliament, Ralf Mützenich, is to act as interim parliamentary group leader.
It is reported that Achim Post is likely to eventually become the new faction leader. Both Mützenich and Post are currently deputy chairmen of the SPD Bundestag faction.

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How is Schulz not woke?

Have you ever seen him on TV?

Nope

He has an image of being boring and technocratic.

Plus he is a reformed alcoholic - and you can easily tell by just looking at and listening to him.
Plus he has a very distinct speech impediment (the same as Nahles, btw) that simply makes him seem imbecile.

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Schulz comes accross as an imbecile when he speaks on the same scale as Nahles?! He always seemed quite rough spoken but I can't detect it. Is it the NRW mannerisms? If that's the case Saxons and people from Baden have more serious speech impediments

No, they can't simply pronounce the sch properly, pronouncing it like ch instead. It doesn't go down well with the public when you can't even pronounce your own name correctly. Especially satirist and PARTEI politician Martin Sonneborn, MEP, regularly makes fum of Chulz's speech problem. Google "Martin Chulz" and you'll get about 6,000 results.

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Let's be real: the people who make fun of Schulz because of his accent are not likely to vote SPD (anymore).

You mean Sonneborn is not going to vote for Präsident Chulz anymore?

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So, this is a picture I link from the Instagram account of the tax-funded state news! This oughta be allowed! 🤬