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Question: Should a student who tells a classmate they will go to Hell face disciplinary action?
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Yes, this constitutes harassment.
 
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No, this would violate the student’s religion liberty.
 
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Total Voters: 50

Author Topic: Should a student who tells a classmate they will go to Hell face disciplinary action?  (Read 2353 times)
John Dule
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« on: September 10, 2022, 12:48:12 AM »

Penalizing things like this will just coddle the next generation and leave them unable to think of decent comebacks. The appropriate response to this is not to run to the teacher and whine. Rather, it is “Yes, I’m probably going to hell for sodomizing your mother out of wedlock.”
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John Dule
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2022, 10:44:40 AM »

My best friend in high school believed I would be going to hell but I pretty much didnt care. If you don't believe in the concept of hell why do you care so much

Ferguson is talking about it being used in an active and charged way.
how does that change anything?

We should get religion out of our schools.

That doesn't mean banning students from making religious statements.
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John Dule
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2022, 11:24:01 AM »

My best friend in high school believed I would be going to hell but I pretty much didnt care. If you don't believe in the concept of hell why do you care so much

Ferguson is talking about it being used in an active and charged way.
how does that change anything?

We should get religion out of our schools.

That doesn't mean banning students from making religious statements.

Well, if we have to get CRT out of our schools- and CRT means 'anything that makes people feel bad'- then we need to ban religion.

But I don't want CRT out of our schools.
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John Dule
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2022, 12:17:05 PM »

No.

Grow up.

Stop being whiny babies who have to tattle to the authorities whenever your oversensitive feelings are hurt!

We're talking about literal children here. I don't get it, do you think that bullying should be allowed in schools?

Yes. Bullying is a fact of life and it is useful for students to learn how to handle it independently.
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2022, 11:15:36 AM »

No.

Grow up.

Stop being whiny babies who have to tattle to the authorities whenever your oversensitive feelings are hurt!

We're talking about literal children here. I don't get it, do you think that bullying should be allowed in schools?

Yes. Bullying is a fact of life and it is useful for students to learn how to handle it independently.
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The researchers found that, at age 50, participants who had been bullied when they were children were more likely to be in poorer physical and psychological health and have worse cognitive functioning than people who had not been bullied.
Shockingly, its not good for you to spend your childhood being harassed and abused while the adults who are supposed to protect you do nothing.

Correlation/causation problem. Schools in poorer communities are more likely to not care about bullying and not have the resources to intervene in these cases. Hence if you’re subjected to persistent bullying, you’re probably growing up in conditions that already disadvantage you socioeconomically.

But still, I do think persistent abuse should be stopped. The OP’s question doesn’t fall into that category though.
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John Dule
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2022, 03:33:16 PM »

More importantly, growing up in an environment where antagonizing people for the sake of it isn't acceptable tends to make people a lot less keen on that kind of thing, and society being less tolerant of pointless dickery is obviously a good thing.

The thing is, bullying isn't done "just for the sake of it." It can be a valuable way to expunge antisocial behavior without resorting to parental/state intervention.
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John Dule
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2022, 05:33:11 PM »

The thing is, bullying isn't done "just for the sake of it." It can be a valuable way to expunge antisocial behavior without resorting to parental/state intervention.

This is easily one of the stupidest things anyone has ever said on the entirety of Atlas. Top 5, easily.

So if some middle schooler is LARPing as a Neo-Nazi or communist, you don’t think he should be mocked or ostracized? Interesting.
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John Dule
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2022, 12:11:56 AM »

The thing is, bullying isn't done "just for the sake of it." It can be a valuable way to expunge antisocial behavior without resorting to parental/state intervention.

This is easily one of the stupidest things anyone has ever said on the entirety of Atlas. Top 5, easily.

So if some middle schooler is LARPing as a Neo-Nazi or communist, you don’t think he should be mocked or ostracized? Interesting.

It doesn’t count as bullying if they deserve it.

So I guess that answers your poll question. If the judge of the universe is going to send them to the Bad Place, then clearly they deserve it.



The Judge of the Universe being, of course, Ferguson, who divined the one true system of human morality in his high school philosophy class.
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