Alabama Megathread: Bombshell allegations

[McGovernForPrez]

Whether this turns into an MA '10 situation depends on turnout not voter flexibility. Scott Brown would've had no chance of winning in a regular election here. He just got lucky that Democratic turnout was so abysmal. If Democrats wanna pick up this seat then the same would need to happen. I wouldn't be surprised to see lower Republic turnout either. Their party has been a sh**t show in Alabama. With the whole governor scandal and everything else. We've already seen close results in congressional districts that shouldn't have been close at all.

[McGovernForPrez]

Talk about crazy. I legitimately think Jones can win this. It comes down to turnout 100% though. I can Alabaman Republicans not turning out much, considering how much of a mess its GOP has been lately.

[McGovernForPrez]

I hope the DSCC does totally write this race off. If turnout is low like it was during the first round, it could help Jones pull an upset. Scott Brown all over again.

People really underestimate how much of a force turnout can be in a special election.

[McGovernForPrez]

I hope the DSCC does totally write this race off. If turnout is low like it was during the first round, it could help Jones pull an upset. Scott Brown all over again.

Scott Brown was elected in a relatively high turnout election.

No he wasn't. He got less votes in 2010 than Romney did in 2012, and Romney lost by a massive margin. It was a very very low turnout election.

[McGovernForPrez]

I hope the DSCC does totally write this race off. If turnout is low like it was during the first round, it could help Jones pull an upset. Scott Brown all over again.

Scott Brown was elected in a relatively high turnout election.

No he wasn't. He got less votes in 2010 than Romney did in 2012, and Romney lost by a massive margin. It was a very very low turnout election.

That is a very silly comparison. Try comparing the vote totals in Scott Brown's election to, say, the number of voters cast in Ed Markey's 2 elections.

Sure it was high turnout for a special election, but that's to be expected considering how much the media hyped up the race. It's still nowhere near high turnout for Massachusetts.

[McGovernForPrez]

I didn't think it was possible for a candidate to be worse than Trump, but lo and behold.

[McGovernForPrez]

Didn't Moore almost lose the SC race in 2012 to a Democrat? If Moore is the nominee I do legitimately think there is a chance of Jones pulling a Scott Brown.

[McGovernForPrez]

I think Jones will pull this out; Coakley led Brown by over 20 points a few months before the MA Special election.

Keep telling yourself that.. Massachusetts will at least elect certain Republicans ie. Charlie Baker and Mitt Romney. Alabama has not elected a statewide Democrat in a while

This.

You're probably right, but hope springs eternal.  And if anyone can blow this, it's Roy Moore (although he may've peaked a week too early in the primary).

I also keep feeling the need to point out that Scott Brown won entirely due to turnout. He got less votes than Romney in 12' and and he got 37.5%. MA Republicans turned out at a higher rate than MA Dems, and that allowed Scott Brown to pull off an upset.

[McGovernForPrez]

Roy won't do such a thing. Lies.

So bronz is a piece of shit. Period. It’s sad.

Possible sarcasm?

[McGovernForPrez]

I'm moving this race from Likely R to Lean R.

[McGovernForPrez]

Call me a raging social justice warrior snowflake, but I really think that everyone I see in this thread using yesterday's news as a prop to continue their ridiculous, bourgeois elitist circlejerk about states like Alabama and West Virginia are really not much better than Moore.

In other words, I'm calling IceSpear a wanker.

Totally agreed. It's just annoying to listen to at this point.

[McGovernForPrez]

Call me a raging social justice warrior snowflake, but I really think that everyone I see in this thread using yesterday's news as a prop to continue their ridiculous, bourgeois elitist circlejerk about states like Alabama and West Virginia are really not much better than Moore.

In other words, I'm calling IceSpear a wanker.

Totally agreed. It's just annoying to listen to at this point.

Pointing out the fact that a pedophile is going to win a state makes you just as bad as the pedophile because "it's annoying"? I think your guys' priorities may be just a bit out of wack. Much like the priorities of Alabama voters.

I'm not equivocating what Roy Moore has done to what you're saying. I'm just pointing out that it's seriously irritating and unhelpful.

[McGovernForPrez]

Call me a raging social justice warrior snowflake, but I really think that everyone I see in this thread using yesterday's news as a prop to continue their ridiculous, bourgeois elitist circlejerk about states like Alabama and West Virginia are really not much better than Moore.

In other words, I'm calling IceSpear a wanker.

Totally agreed. It's just annoying to listen to at this point.

Pointing out the fact that a pedophile is going to win a state makes you just as bad as the pedophile because "it's annoying"? I think your guys' priorities may be just a bit out of wack. Much like the priorities of Alabama voters.

I'm not equivocating what Roy Moore has done to what you're saying. I'm just pointing out that it's seriously irritating and unhelpful.

Well, you said "totally agreed" to someone that equivocated that. So I guess you only partly agreed then.

I actually didn't read the last part there about being "not much better than Moore", so I apologize for accidentally equivocating you to a pedophile.

[McGovernForPrez]

I expected some hysterical responses to my post calling for the election of Moore along with some name calling. That is even though you do not knowing anything about me.  So I will let you know more about me than you probably want to know. This should possibly be posted on another thread, but I am posting here as I have been personally called names on this thread like confederate

I was born in 1944 in Michigan. I became active in the Republican Party in 1959.  I moved to Memphis, TN in 1975 and to the delta of Arkansas in 1978.  At that time the city I moved to  was 70% white and the fastest growing city in Arkansas.  It has not grown since then because of the Carter hyper inflation and dismal economy.  Also businesses were moving out of downtown Memphis on the river.  Businesses moved further east in Tennessee and South into Mississippi.  The Mississippi River is a barrier. Today my city is 65% black.

The demographic changes have caused the Methodist church I attend to suffer a significant decline in membership.  I am proposing to other members that our next pastor should be black.
I know that will cause some members to leave.  But I believe it is the only way forward.  I guess that makes me a confederate.

Since I became active in the Republican Party in 1959 I have supported the following candidates in the primaries Goldwater in 64, Nixon in 68, Ford in 76, Reagan in 80 after New Hampshire, Bush in 88 and 92, Alexander in 96, Bush in 00, McCain in 08 against our own former Governor Huckabee,  Romney in 12, and Rubio and then Kasich in 16.  I think that makes me pretty much a mainstream Republican.  

Be warned I am generally a yellow dog Republican.

Locally I am known as generally a “red Republican.” That is like a “red Tory” in Great Britain or Canada.  But I am not that “red.”  In Michigan I would be a moderate conservative. . I do love Atlas’ proper use of Party colors.

I was a never Trumper till after the the Indiana primary.  I decided then that after being subjected to the Clintons through two years of Bill as Attorney General of Arkansas, 12 years of Bill as Governor, 8 years of Bill as President, and 6 years of Hillary as Secretary of State I had had quite enough of the the Clintons.  I became a Never Hillaryer.  Every time my wife and I see Hillary on TV we are thankful we made that decision.

With respect to the Alabama Senate race I wish Brooks had won, though he is a foolish member of the Freedom Caucus.  I considered that Strange had made a dirty dirty deal.  I considered Moore a jerk.  

However due to the fact that both Parties have come to the point of being unable to work together and Jones is a left winger rather than a blue dog,  I will not give up any Senate or House seat without a fight.  If I see away for a another Republican to get on the ballot or that a right-in could win, I would switch my support.

I am late in posting this statement due to the fact my wife and I took the black director/pastor of the local Christian mission in the area to dinner at an iconic restaurant in our county.  More evidence I am a Confederate.

I will never post anything this long again on a single non individual topic thread. It is just to give you some knowledge of me.

I know you're getting some crap here, and I don't really agree with most of your view points but I just wanted to thank you for sharing your perspective. It's always interesting for me to hear the opinions of someone who's from a veryear different walk of life to me.

[McGovernForPrez]

Yeah, the fact that all character testimonies seem to actually be backing these accusations up, and that the conservative media and Moore surrogates are trying to rationalize it by comparing his relations to biblical stories, really tells you all you need to know about how this scandal will play out. I expect more accusations are yet to come still.

The biblical comparisons are quite franklyrics terrifying. Even if Solomon had X many concubines that really doesn't make it OK to be a pedophile. I couldn't imagine living in a society based off the old testament's rules.

[McGovernForPrez]

Since I have not had 20 posts, I cannot post a link.   This article can be found at hotair.com.

Jazz Shaw at HotAir has an interesting article.  He says that since this is essentially a one incident claim that arose many years ago and the claim is made so late in the campaign, there is insufficient evidence to support the claim or denial.  Therefore, he essentially finds that it would not be inappropriate to support Moore and let him have a hearing in the Senate.

Call off the lynch mob. So, vote as you would have before the claim.

The Republican leadership are such pantywaists. They turn into week kneed jello at the first sign of trouble.  The Democrat leadership usually stands and fights.

Food for thought is that you're better of letting Jones win now and challenge the seat in 2020 with a better candidate. Jones will easily lose in 2020 against any sane Republican. It'd be worth it to avoid a slimy candidate like Moore.

[McGovernForPrez]

Even if Jones wins, Republicans will still have the Senate until 2021 minimum, when Jones will lose re-election or retire anyway.

A net D+2 is now a very plausible outcome for 2018, between the Heller and Flake seats and the potential for a Cochran or McCain retirement, and the potential for Collins and/or Murkowski to become a Dem-caucusing Indy if it's tied is significant.  I wouldn't be entirely shocked if Collins and Murkowski left the GOP this December if Jones won.    
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IceSpear thinks Manchin is DOA for some reason despite all polling and what past results suggest. He thinks it's guaranteed he loses and is factoring that into his projections.

[McGovernForPrez]

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That really is there best chance at this point. If McConnell is actually considering this you know they must hate Moore. McConnell's already pissed that he can't get anything done with his 2 vote majority.