Alabama Megathread: Bombshell allegations

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Does anyone have any fundraising figures?

[Anna Komnene]

Does anyone have any fundraising figures?

If you're interested in figures that would take the most recent developments into account, those won't be released until the end of the month. Right now the most up to day figures are as of September 30.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Does anyone have any fundraising figures?

As of 9/30:

Moore: $3.4M raised, 2.8M spent, 540K on hand
Jones: $1.6M raised, 600K spent, 1M on hand

https://www.opensecrets.org/races/summary?cycle=2018&id=ALS1

[Anna Komnene]

There's a couple things to note about those figures. One is that Sepember 30 was just a few days after the Republican runoff and the dems didn't have any runoff. But on the other hand, Jones has raised way more than any recent AL democrat I know of. The last democrat to run for senate in Alabama raised like 15,000 dollars or something like that.

[IceSpear]

Sen. Cassidy withdraws his endorsement:

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Wow, Moore is so bad he lost the support of Dr. Evil. But luckily for him, he'll never lose the support of Alabama.

[Arkansas Yankee]

Since I have not had 20 posts, I cannot post a link.   This article can be found at hotair.com.

Jazz Shaw at HotAir has an interesting article.  He says that since this is essentially a one incident claim that arose many years ago and the claim is made so late in the campaign, there is insufficient evidence to support the claim or denial.  Therefore, he essentially finds that it would not be inappropriate to support Moore and let him have a hearing in the Senate.

Call off the lynch mob. So, vote as you would have before the claim.

The Republican leadership are such pantywaists. They turn into week kneed jello at the first sign of trouble.  The Democrat leadership usually stands and fights.

[Kamala]

Except it’s 4 incidents, with Moore admitting to having dated teenage girls, and many people corroborating that these incidents occurred, that they were not simply invented for this election.

[McGovernForPrez]

Since I have not had 20 posts, I cannot post a link.   This article can be found at hotair.com.

Jazz Shaw at HotAir has an interesting article.  He says that since this is essentially a one incident claim that arose many years ago and the claim is made so late in the campaign, there is insufficient evidence to support the claim or denial.  Therefore, he essentially finds that it would not be inappropriate to support Moore and let him have a hearing in the Senate.

Call off the lynch mob. So, vote as you would have before the claim.

The Republican leadership are such pantywaists. They turn into week kneed jello at the first sign of trouble.  The Democrat leadership usually stands and fights.

Food for thought is that you're better of letting Jones win now and challenge the seat in 2020 with a better candidate. Jones will easily lose in 2020 against any sane Republican. It'd be worth it to avoid a slimy candidate like Moore.

[Virginiá]

Call off the lynch mob. So, vote as you would have before the claim.

The Republican leadership are such pantywaists. They turn into week kneed jello at the first sign of trouble.  The Democrat leadership usually stands and fights.

Do you seriously like Moore this much, or do you just feel obligated to defend your team's guy? More people are coming forward, including former co-workers, who are corroborating these stories. It's not like this is the only thing to come out about Moore, either. For instance, he seems fond of taking millions from charities to pad his bank account.

Moore is not a stand-up guy. Why are conservatives always picking the worst people, and when the scandals predictably start unraveling, they defend them no matter how absurd they look. I mean for gods sakes, it's not like there aren't clean Republicans you can run. What is so appealing about these trashy candidates?

I just wish conservatives such as yourself would, once in a while, take a step back and consider that maybe it's not worth going to bat for some of these people.

[Yank2133]

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This is from Harry Enten.

[libertpaulian]

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This is from Harry Enten.

Doug Jones, PLEASE do NOT repeat Hillary's mistake of focusing solely on your opponent as a person.  Hit it HARD on the policy issues!  You GOTTA win this thing!

[Virginiá]

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This is from Harry Enten.

Doug Jones, PLEASE do NOT repeat Hillary's mistake of focusing solely on your opponent as a person.  Hit it HARD on the policy issues!  You GOTTA win this thing!

Isn't this race competitive solely because of his character issues? Normally I agree that campaigns shouldn't be run like Clinton's, but in this case, I mean, it seems much more viable for obvious reasons.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Doug Jones and his people have been quiet about these issues and I have never even heard him say the man's name even before the accusations. He already has to tow a fine line to win statewide in Alabama. His campaign has been about him and his issues. He was never going to attack Moore too hard because he can't afford any increase in Republican turnout. His best bet was to focus on the issues and getting his people out and letting Moore hang himself.

[libertpaulian]

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This is from Harry Enten.

Doug Jones, PLEASE do NOT repeat Hillary's mistake of focusing solely on your opponent as a person.  Hit it HARD on the policy issues!  You GOTTA win this thing!

Isn't this race competitive solely because of his character issues? Normally I agree that campaigns shouldn't be run like Clinton's, but in this case, I mean, it seems much more viable for obvious reasons.

I mean, Jones should go after Moore's character for sure.  However, he also needs to show Alabamans why they should trust HIM.  He's gotta say "Look, Alabama.  I know y'all haven't had a Democratic Senator for 20 years and probably are wonderin' why you should choose one.  Well, let me give you three reasons..." (and he goes on to list said valid reasons)

That would be a winning strategy, IMO.

[Holmes]

The Republican leadership are such pantywaists. They turn into week kneed jello at the first sign of trouble.  The Democrat leadership usually stands and fights.

Interesting. This is, of course, incorrect, but it's interesting to see how other people think. You are right about Republican leadership being "pantywaists" though.

[Maxwell]

Doug Jones has run on issues because he's a man of integrity.

[heatcharger]

White Alabama must never find out who Doug Jones is. They must never know a Democrat might actually have a chance at winning the election.

The way Doug Jones actually wins this election is by getting his people out to vote and Moore not getting his. That means Jones needs to be at literally every place of gathering with black folks, conveying his incredible background and the importance of showing up on December 12th. This also means he cannot do a single thing that'll ignite the tribalistic urges of the average Alabama Republican. Oh, and he could use a slight amount of crossover votes from Alabama "independents" too. It's a tough task.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

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This is from Harry Enten.

Doug Jones, PLEASE do NOT repeat Hillary's mistake of focusing solely on your opponent as a person.  Hit it HARD on the policy issues!  You GOTTA win this thing!

Isn't this race competitive solely because of his character issues? Normally I agree that campaigns shouldn't be run like Clinton's, but in this case, I mean, it seems much more viable for obvious reasons.

I mean, Jones should go after Moore's character for sure.  However, he also needs to show Alabamans why they should trust HIM.  He's gotta say "Look, Alabama.  I know y'all haven't had a Democratic Senator for 20 years and probably are wonderin' why you should choose one.  Well, let me give you three reasons..." (and he goes on to list said valid reasons)

That would be a winning strategy, IMO.

Jones absolutely does not need to go after Moore's character, that's being done for him.  If he wants to win, you are right that he needs to show why he is an acceptable alternative, and not just another secular socialist liberal who hates God, grits and grandma.

[Maxwell]

White Alabama must never find out who Doug Jones is. They must never know a Democrat might actually have a chance at winning the election.

The way Doug Jones actually wins this election is by getting his people out to vote and Moore not getting his. That means Jones needs to be at literally every place of gathering with black folks, conveying his incredible background and the importance of showing up on December 12th. This also means he cannot do a single thing that'll ignite the tribalistic urges of the average Alabama Republican. Oh, and he could use a slight amount of crossover votes from Alabama "independents" too. It's a tough task.

Everything I've read about Jones so far seems to be pointing to this campaign strategy.

[Arkansas Yankee]

I actually really dislike Moore.  But I will not agree to turn the Senate over to the Democrats.

Again please do not preach morality to me when you folks elected Ted Kennedy over and over for over 40 years.  You also wanted to sneak Bill back into the White House.  I am not sure you will not try that again.

At least Republicans decked the influence pedaling Bushes. You still have to get rid of your influence pedaling Clintons. Take care of your own business.

I know we still need to get rid of the Bush grandchild in Texas.

Instinctively, I will never believe the Washington Post, a house organ of the Democrat Party, did not have the story before the primary.

[Hindsight was 2020]

I actually really dislike Moore.  But I will not agree to turn the Senate over to the Democrats.

Again please do not preach morality to me when you folks elected Ted Kennedy over and over for over 40 years.  You also wanted to sneak Bill back into the White House.  I am not sure you will not try that again.

At least Republicans decked the influence pedaling Bushes. You still have to get rid of your influence pedaling Clintons. Take care of your own business.

I know we still need to get rid of the Bush grandchild in Texas.

Instinctively, I will never believe the Washington Post, a house organ of the Democrat Party, did not have the story before the primary.

Because Ted killing person due to a drunken DUI is the same as a sober child diddler?

[Anna Komnene]

As if most of the posters on this forum are 60 year olds from Massachusetts that would have had the chance to "elect Ted Kennedy over and over for over 40 years"?

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/929551200361607168

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[Cactus Jack]

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/929551200361607168

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And there it is. There's the proof that this is way closer to Akingate than it is to Access Hollywood.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I actually really dislike Moore.  But I will not agree to turn the Senate over to the Democrats.

Again please do not preach morality to me when you folks elected Ted Kennedy over and over for over 40 years.  You also wanted to sneak Bill back into the White House.  I am not sure you will not try that again.

At least Republicans decked the influence pedaling Bushes. You still have to get rid of your influence pedaling Clintons. Take care of your own business.

I know we still need to get rid of the Bush grandchild in Texas.

Instinctively, I will never believe the Washington Post, a house organ of the Democrat Party, did not have the story before the primary.

Re: Bush - in an alternate universe where Trump doesn't run, Jeb would have been your presidential nominee. Don't pretend that you guys decided of your own accord to throw out Jeb, or that the establishment did it - you only got the idea to turf out Jeb after Trump started calling him names. And I doubt you'll get rid of George P. anytime soon, heck, he'll probably be your nominee for TX Gov in 2022.

Also, Lewinsky was in her 20s during her affair with Bill. No 14 year olds were involved. It was inappropriate, yes, but it was not child molestation.