Ron DeSantis signs bill to limit tenure at public universities

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"It’s all about trying to make these institutions more in line with what the state’s priorities are [...]"

If this quote doesn't raise red flags for you, you should really sit down and reflect on your views.

Attempting to control research and academic discourse to make it more "in line" with "the state's priorities" is not even the first step towards a fascist state and parallels other fascist governments in history quite well.

This is an assault on academic freedom and free practice of a discipline. The state has NO business attempting to regulate academic freedom, much less by threatening tenure over it. This is dangerous, and people like OSR enable it with their fanatic politics.

Well that’s why you have private universities then and yes research grants should be prioritized for Hard Science not the social sciences . Anyway yes we need more accountability at universities which means yes a limit of tenure which is good .

Do you believe that faculty at public universities should be beholden to the ideology of the state?

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Also this is fascism but these things aren’t :

- A prime minister freezing bank accounts of protesters

- democrats openly trying to limit parents rights when it comes to their kids education

- banning people on social media who disagree with so called “experts”

Much more as well

#2 and #3 are very compatible with the values of a free society.

No it is not as number 2 is literally what fascist and communist government did to ensure they could indoctrinate their kids and remove all sense of individuality . Number 3 could if their wasn’t section 230 protections given to those platforms and also cheerleadered by politicians

Are you seriously trying to argue that Democrats are the side of this culture war issue that wants to indoctrinate kids? They aren't the ones intervening in curricula to ban ideas they don't agree with.

For the record, I don't like the first or third policies you mentioned, and don't support the people who enact them. The second point is so vague that it doesn't inherently mean anything, but if you want to interpret "parents' rights" as meaning that parents have a "right" to sue schools for teaching things they don't like - yeah, that's not a "right" I support.

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Also this is fascism but these things aren’t :

- A prime minister freezing bank accounts of protesters

- democrats openly trying to limit parents rights when it comes to their kids education

- banning people on social media who disagree with so called “experts”

Much more as well

#2 and #3 are very compatible with the values of a free society.

No it is not as number 2 is literally what fascist and communist government did to ensure they could indoctrinate their kids and remove all sense of individuality . Number 3 could if their wasn’t section 230 protections given to those platforms and also cheerleadered by politicians

Are you seriously trying to argue that Democrats are the side of this culture war issue that wants to indoctrinate kids? They aren't the ones intervening in curricula to ban ideas they don't agree with.

For the record, I don't like the first or third policies you mentioned, and don't support the people who enact them. The second point is so vague that it doesn't inherently mean anything, but if you want to interpret "parents' rights" as meaning that parents have a "right" to sue schools for teaching things they don't like - yeah, that's not a "right" I support.

California Democrats literally mandated ethnic studies statewide. Either side wants to do it, although school administration will do most of the work for Democrats if laws are neutral.

That isn't what I said. I said Democrats don't want to ban ideas they don't like.

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On education I think we should just go back to how stuff was taught in 2012 which was not that long ago and I support doing that across the board regardless of subject . Same reason I oppose most of the new creative leaning methods too

May I ask what, specifically, you want to change about current curricula? Putting aside the 1619 project, which I would agree is riddled with inaccuracies and isn't the best framing for high school classes, I usually see you refer to these vague generalities that don't really mean anything - "new creative learning methods," "this stuff," etc. "CRT" falls into this category at this point too, given it's been diluted by the right to mean anything that isn't blind lionization of the founders.

I think there's a legitimate, productive conversation to be had about education in this country, but without providing specific methods and curricula you object to, it just sounds like you haven't done very much research on it.

My apologies if you have specified at some point outside this thread and I just haven't seen it, by the way.