Ron DeSantis signs bill to limit tenure at public universities

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/04/19/desantis-signs-bill-limiting-tenure-at-florida-public-universities/?outputType=amp


https://mobile.twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1516431708396179470?ref_src=tws...


Mega Based move by DeSantis and it absolutely sucks Trump fans will vote for the guy who acts like a 4 year old whiner over the governor who has actually is winning so much for conservative causes .

[Mr. Reactionary]

"We're gonna win so much, you may even get tired of winning. And you'll say, 'Please, please. It's too much winning. We can't take it anymore.'"

[OSR stands with Israel]

"We're gonna win so much, you may even get tired of winning. And you'll say, 'Please, please. It's too much winning. We can't take it anymore.'"

DeSantis is actually doing what Trump promised rather than whine like a toddler  and lash out in temper tantrums cause someone triggered him

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

"We're gonna win so much, you may even get tired of winning. And you'll say, 'Please, please. It's too much winning. We can't take it anymore.'"

DeSantis is actually doing what Trump promised rather than whine like a toddler  and lash out in temper tantrums cause someone triggered him

[Dr. Arch]

"It’s all about trying to make these institutions more in line with what the state’s priorities are [...]"

If this quote doesn't raise red flags for you, you should really sit down and reflect on your views.

Attempting to control research and academic discourse to make it more "in line" with "the state's priorities" is not even the first step towards a fascist state and parallels other fascist governments in history quite well.

This is an assault on academic freedom and free practice of a discipline. The state has NO business attempting to regulate academic freedom, much less by threatening tenure over it. This is dangerous, and people like OSR enable it with their fanatic politics.

[OSR stands with Israel]

"It’s all about trying to make these institutions more in line with what the state’s priorities are [...]"

If this quote doesn't raise red flags for you, you should really sit down and reflect on your views.

Attempting to control research and academic discourse to make it more "in line" with "the state's priorities" is not even the first step towards a fascist state and parallels other fascist governments in history quite well.

This is an assault on academic freedom and free practice of a discipline. The state has NO business attempting to regulate academic freedom, much less by threatening tenure over it. This is dangerous, and people like OSR enable it with their fanatic politics.

Well that’s why you have private universities then and yes research grants should be prioritized for Hard Science not the social sciences . Anyway yes we need more accountability at universities which means yes a limit of tenure which is good .

It’s a public university so yes there will be different rules than private universities as one is subsidized  by taxpayer money while the other isn’t .

[scutosaurus]

"It’s all about trying to make these institutions more in line with what the state’s priorities are [...]"

If this quote doesn't raise red flags for you, you should really sit down and reflect on your views.

Attempting to control research and academic discourse to make it more "in line" with "the state's priorities" is not even the first step towards a fascist state and parallels other fascist governments in history quite well.

This is an assault on academic freedom and free practice of a discipline. The state has NO business attempting to regulate academic freedom, much less by threatening tenure over it. This is dangerous, and people like OSR enable it with their fanatic politics.

Well that’s why you have private universities then and yes research grants should be prioritized for Hard Science not the social sciences . Anyway yes we need more accountability at universities which means yes a limit of tenure which is good .

Do you believe that faculty at public universities should be beholden to the ideology of the state?

[Dr. Arch]

"It’s all about trying to make these institutions more in line with what the state’s priorities are [...]"

If this quote doesn't raise red flags for you, you should really sit down and reflect on your views.

Attempting to control research and academic discourse to make it more "in line" with "the state's priorities" is not even the first step towards a fascist state and parallels other fascist governments in history quite well.

This is an assault on academic freedom and free practice of a discipline. The state has NO business attempting to regulate academic freedom, much less by threatening tenure over it. This is dangerous, and people like OSR enable it with their fanatic politics.

Well that’s why you have private universities then and yes research grants should be prioritized for Hard Science not the social sciences . Anyway yes we need more accountability at universities which means yes a limit of tenure which is good .

Non sequitor

[OSR stands with Israel]

"It’s all about trying to make these institutions more in line with what the state’s priorities are [...]"

If this quote doesn't raise red flags for you, you should really sit down and reflect on your views.

Attempting to control research and academic discourse to make it more "in line" with "the state's priorities" is not even the first step towards a fascist state and parallels other fascist governments in history quite well.

This is an assault on academic freedom and free practice of a discipline. The state has NO business attempting to regulate academic freedom, much less by threatening tenure over it. This is dangerous, and people like OSR enable it with their fanatic politics.

Well that’s why you have private universities then and yes research grants should be prioritized for Hard Science not the social sciences . Anyway yes we need more accountability at universities which means yes a limit of tenure which is good .

Do you believe that faculty at public universities should be beholden to the ideology of the state?

No but there should be less grants given out for non hard science research

[Dr. Arch]

"It’s all about trying to make these institutions more in line with what the state’s priorities are [...]"

If this quote doesn't raise red flags for you, you should really sit down and reflect on your views.

Attempting to control research and academic discourse to make it more "in line" with "the state's priorities" is not even the first step towards a fascist state and parallels other fascist governments in history quite well.

This is an assault on academic freedom and free practice of a discipline. The state has NO business attempting to regulate academic freedom, much less by threatening tenure over it. This is dangerous, and people like OSR enable it with their fanatic politics.

Well that’s why you have private universities then and yes research grants should be prioritized for Hard Science not the social sciences . Anyway yes we need more accountability at universities which means yes a limit of tenure which is good .

Do you believe that faculty at public universities should be beholden to the ideology of the state?

No but there should be less grants given out for non hard science research

Why, then, are you calling this legislation "Mega Based"?

Shameful.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Also this is fascism but these things aren’t :

- A prime minister freezing bank accounts of protesters

- democrats openly trying to limit parents rights when it comes to their kids education

- banning people on social media who disagree with so called “experts”

Much more as well

[OSR stands with Israel]

"It’s all about trying to make these institutions more in line with what the state’s priorities are [...]"

If this quote doesn't raise red flags for you, you should really sit down and reflect on your views.

Attempting to control research and academic discourse to make it more "in line" with "the state's priorities" is not even the first step towards a fascist state and parallels other fascist governments in history quite well.

This is an assault on academic freedom and free practice of a discipline. The state has NO business attempting to regulate academic freedom, much less by threatening tenure over it. This is dangerous, and people like OSR enable it with their fanatic politics.

Well that’s why you have private universities then and yes research grants should be prioritized for Hard Science not the social sciences . Anyway yes we need more accountability at universities which means yes a limit of tenure which is good .

Do you believe that faculty at public universities should be beholden to the ideology of the state?

No but there should be less grants given out for non hard science research

Why, then, are you calling this legislation "Mega Based"?

Shameful.

Cause tenure absolutely should be limited at public universities. Or any job that gets subsidized by tax payer money . I support also limiting how much time unelected  bureaucrats can spend in their postions as well

[Ferguson97]

Conservatives have been attacking universities for decades, what else is new?

And no surprise that the usual suspects think this is a good move.

This boils down to the fact that right-wingers are just terrified of dissent. That's why they hate universities so much, because it gives their children the opportunity to think for themselves instead of just parroting back what mom and dad have taught them.

No but there should be less grants given out for non hard science research

Frankly, nonsense like this is why there are so many problems with our society. Do you sincerely believe that social sciences and the arts don't produce anything of societal value?

[OSR stands with Israel]

"It’s all about trying to make these institutions more in line with what the state’s priorities are [...]"

If this quote doesn't raise red flags for you, you should really sit down and reflect on your views.

Attempting to control research and academic discourse to make it more "in line" with "the state's priorities" is not even the first step towards a fascist state and parallels other fascist governments in history quite well.

This is an assault on academic freedom and free practice of a discipline. The state has NO business attempting to regulate academic freedom, much less by threatening tenure over it. This is dangerous, and people like OSR enable it with their fanatic politics.

Well that’s why you have private universities then and yes research grants should be prioritized for Hard Science not the social sciences . Anyway yes we need more accountability at universities which means yes a limit of tenure which is good .

Do you believe that faculty at public universities should be beholden to the ideology of the state?

No but there should be less grants given out for non hard science research

Why, then, are you calling this legislation "Mega Based"?

Shameful.

Cause tenure absolutely should be limited at public universities. Or any job that gets subsidized by tax payer money

Tenure can be a very bad idea in some professions, but it's imperative that professors can bite the hand that feeds them and get away with it. Academic freedom is very important in a free society.

Then we should privatize research grants more then if that’s the issue cause government subsidized things never can truly be “free” as the government has to actively choose which grants to approve and which not too .

That decision is usually made by people who do have political agendas as well so the this will mainly just provide more oversight over  unelected  bureaucrats which I generally support.

 
Also keep in mind all this does for tenure is make them go Infront of the university board of trustees who then will decide whether to keep them or not . At most you can compare this to a form of “union busting”

[OSR stands with Israel]

Also this is fascism but these things aren’t :

- A prime minister freezing bank accounts of protesters

- democrats openly trying to limit parents rights when it comes to their kids education

- banning people on social media who disagree with so called “experts”

Much more as well

#2 and #3 are very compatible with the values of a free society.

No it is not as number 2 is literally what fascist and communist government did to ensure they could indoctrinate their kids and remove all sense of individuality . Number 3 could if their wasn’t section 230 protections given to those platforms and also cheerleadered by politicians

[scutosaurus]

Also this is fascism but these things aren’t :

- A prime minister freezing bank accounts of protesters

- democrats openly trying to limit parents rights when it comes to their kids education

- banning people on social media who disagree with so called “experts”

Much more as well

#2 and #3 are very compatible with the values of a free society.

No it is not as number 2 is literally what fascist and communist government did to ensure they could indoctrinate their kids and remove all sense of individuality . Number 3 could if their wasn’t section 230 protections given to those platforms and also cheerleadered by politicians

Are you seriously trying to argue that Democrats are the side of this culture war issue that wants to indoctrinate kids? They aren't the ones intervening in curricula to ban ideas they don't agree with.

For the record, I don't like the first or third policies you mentioned, and don't support the people who enact them. The second point is so vague that it doesn't inherently mean anything, but if you want to interpret "parents' rights" as meaning that parents have a "right" to sue schools for teaching things they don't like - yeah, that's not a "right" I support.

[T'Chenka]

Also this is fascism but these things aren’t :

- A prime minister freezing bank accounts of protesters

- democrats openly trying to limit parents rights when it comes to their kids education

- banning people on social media who disagree with so called “experts”

Much more as well

#2 and #3 are very compatible with the values of a free society.

No it is not as number 2 is literally what fascist and communist government did to ensure they could indoctrinate their kids and remove all sense of individuality . Number 3 could if their wasn’t section 230 protections given to those platforms and also cheerleadered by politicians

You don't have a right to teach your kids that black people or muslims or trans people are immoral / deviants and then send them to public school and then ALSO demand that the public school not contradict your beliefs in the classroom. Especially where, in the case of trans people, they might say in the classroom something much less controversial, such as "trans people exist and are a part of society" instead of "trans people aren't immoral"

That isn't your right as a parent in 2022 in Western culture. Very interesting that you went out of your way to mention "indoctrinating their kids and removing all sense of individuality". That's what some of these parents want to do. Removing the individuality of trans kids is what these parents want to do, either to their own kids or the kids in the classroom with their kids. Educating kids on the basic facts ("trans people exist in society") isn't indoctrination.

[Badger]

"It’s all about trying to make these institutions more in line with what the state’s priorities are [...]"

If this quote doesn't raise red flags for you, you should really sit down and reflect on your views.

Attempting to control research and academic discourse to make it more "in line" with "the state's priorities" is not even the first step towards a fascist state and parallels other fascist governments in history quite well.

This is an assault on academic freedom and free practice of a discipline. The state has NO business attempting to regulate academic freedom, much less by threatening tenure over it. This is dangerous, and people like OSR enable it with their fanatic politics.

Well that’s why you have private universities then and yes research grants should be prioritized for Hard Science not the social sciences .

 This is obviously beep boop  Being prejudiced in favor of his Fellow computers, rather than these "hoo-mans" he has heard of.

[Gass3268]

Good professors will leave states that pass laws like this and go to states where they are wanted. So I guess this is good for a place like Illinois.

[OSR stands with Israel]

"It’s all about trying to make these institutions more in line with what the state’s priorities are [...]"

If this quote doesn't raise red flags for you, you should really sit down and reflect on your views.

Attempting to control research and academic discourse to make it more "in line" with "the state's priorities" is not even the first step towards a fascist state and parallels other fascist governments in history quite well.

This is an assault on academic freedom and free practice of a discipline. The state has NO business attempting to regulate academic freedom, much less by threatening tenure over it. This is dangerous, and people like OSR enable it with their fanatic politics.

Well that’s why you have private universities then and yes research grants should be prioritized for Hard Science not the social sciences .

 This is obviously beep boop  Being prejudiced in favor of his Fellow computers, rather than these "hoo-mans" he has heard of.

Given how much all these “research” into how to make our educational system has resulted in nothing but failure (and bright ideas like not teaching algebra in middle schools ) then yes they should be less prioritized . Also most of the “studies” majors are completely useless and we should absolutely disincentive those majors as well at public universities.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Btw you guys think I’m super right wing on this issue , but whenever these types of issues get discussed with my parents and other family members I usually am the most liberal member in the group on these types of issues .

[jojoju1998]

"It’s all about trying to make these institutions more in line with what the state’s priorities are [...]"

If this quote doesn't raise red flags for you, you should really sit down and reflect on your views.

Attempting to control research and academic discourse to make it more "in line" with "the state's priorities" is not even the first step towards a fascist state and parallels other fascist governments in history quite well.

This is an assault on academic freedom and free practice of a discipline. The state has NO business attempting to regulate academic freedom, much less by threatening tenure over it. This is dangerous, and people like OSR enable it with their fanatic politics.

Well that’s why you have private universities then and yes research grants should be prioritized for Hard Science not the social sciences .

 This is obviously beep boop  Being prejudiced in favor of his Fellow computers, rather than these "hoo-mans" he has heard of.

Given how much all these “research” into how to make our educational system has resulted in nothing but failure (and bright ideas like not teaching algebra in middle schools ) then yes they should be less prioritized . Also most of the “studies” majors are completely useless and we should absolutely disincentive those majors as well at public universities.

Dude. All this will do is just transport the rich folks who have the money and the means to private universities to study liberal arts, while having all the working class kids compete for classes in public universities to get " useful " degrees.

It's a form of classism. Elitism as well.

Oh and don't forget that if you have all these lower income working class kids get " useful " degrees, then the value of the degree will go down, wages will drop.

But that's the goal isn't it ?

[Dr. Arch]

Btw you guys think I’m super right wing on this issue , but whenever these types of issues get discussed with my parents and other family members I usually am the most liberal member in the group on these types of issues .

That's more an indictment of your family members than an acquittal for you.

[T'Chenka]

Btw you guys think I’m super right wing on this issue , but whenever these types of issues get discussed with my parents and other family members I usually am the most liberal member in the group on these types of issues .

It isn't about left wing or center or right wing, it's about right and wrong, in terms of both reality / truth / facts and morality.

Btw you guys think I’m super right wing on this issue , but whenever these types of issues get discussed with my parents and other family members I usually am the most liberal member in the group on these types of issues .

That's more an indictment of your family members than an acquittal for you.

This.

[OSR stands with Israel]

"It’s all about trying to make these institutions more in line with what the state’s priorities are [...]"

If this quote doesn't raise red flags for you, you should really sit down and reflect on your views.

Attempting to control research and academic discourse to make it more "in line" with "the state's priorities" is not even the first step towards a fascist state and parallels other fascist governments in history quite well.

This is an assault on academic freedom and free practice of a discipline. The state has NO business attempting to regulate academic freedom, much less by threatening tenure over it. This is dangerous, and people like OSR enable it with their fanatic politics.

Well that’s why you have private universities then and yes research grants should be prioritized for Hard Science not the social sciences .

 This is obviously beep boop  Being prejudiced in favor of his Fellow computers, rather than these "hoo-mans" he has heard of.

Given how much all these “research” into how to make our educational system has resulted in nothing but failure (and bright ideas like not teaching algebra in middle schools ) then yes they should be less prioritized . Also most of the “studies” majors are completely useless and we should absolutely disincentive those majors as well at public universities.

Dude. All this will do is just transport the rich folks who have the money and the means to private universities to study liberal arts, while having all the working class kids compete for classes in public universities to get " useful " degrees.

It's a form of classism. Elitism as well.

Oh and don't forget that if you have all these lower income working class kids get " useful " degrees, then the value of the degree will go down, wages will drop.

But that's the goal isn't it ?

How is it better for kids who go into these types of major to accumulate massive amount of debt and then end up working at a minimum wage job after college which they could have done after high school as well .


What would be better actually is we increase funding to trade schools , and try to incentivize companies to do job training more rather than require applicants to get degrees that aren’t relevant to their jobs .