Super Tuesday Results Thread

[brucejoel99]

Sanders should run as an independent if he wins California even if he can't win the nomination. Biden is a loser who can barley speak & will get destroyed in the rust belt with his record in NAFTA. Anyone who can't win California in 2020 has no business running in the Dem primary since California is the heart & soul of the Dem party today.

AKA "Sanders should help the Republican win even though the Democrat would still be infinitely better for the country." K.

[brucejoel99]

Saw this concerning Boston turnout: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yZ6KNqOT29hyYiNIqoEcPEwhTDxGC3Z-DjiII9XTsi8/edit#gid=265520355

Turnout so far is highest relative to 2018 in Wards 2-5, 21, 22. That's the area immediately around Cambridge. Turnout is lowest in Wards 14, 15, and 18 which are in southern Boston.

Relatively high Cambridge turnout & relatively low Southie turnout would (anecdotally) seem to be a good sign for Warren, but I don't wanna be replied to with the Clippy meme, so let's see what happens!

[brucejoel99]

72% support Medicare for All in Maine.

56% support Medicare for All in North Carolina.

54% in MA, 52% in VA.

I hate Virginia. Yeah suburban elites are doing good, why would they want M4A. So much for a Democratic voters caring about other people. BS party, I hope Trump beats Biden in a landslide

If you really cared about other people, you'd be supportive of a Democrat who sides w/ Berniecrats 99% of the time over a Republican who does so 0% of the time.

[brucejoel99]

CNN just insta-called VA for Biden & VT for Bernie

[brucejoel99]

I’m willing to admit that if Biden wins Maine & Minnesota; this is a lean Biden primary.

Biden better not pull a Hillary and choose a Tim Kaine as VP; young progressives will stay home.

I'd be shocked if he does. My first bet would be Kamala Harris.

1.  Tim Kaine was a good pick.
2.  Kamala Harris would be a good pick too.

Kaine was a highly qualified pick, but he was NOT a good pick. Sure, he by no means single-handedly doomed Hillary's campaign, but his choice was emblematic of why Hillary lost. Her number one challenge was convincing the Obama coalition & voters in general that she represented real change in a year when the electorate wanted an outsider. The VP pick was the one big chance for her to signal that, even though Hillary herself was the consummate establishment politician, she had heard the message loud & clear and was ready to shake things up.

And Hillary had a number of strong choices to pick from, including Warren (who clearly wanted the job), Sanders (politically unthinkable but he would've unified the party & supercharged millennial turnout), Brown (Sanders-lite), or even somebody like Castro or Booker who at least would've added charisma to the ticket & helped to keep the Obama coalition engaged.

So what happened? Hillary chose not just another insider, but one utterly lacking in charisma, apparently for no other reason than that she just felt more comfortable with Kaine than with somebody like Warren, who would've been a disruptive presence in Clintonworld. To be fair, I know Tim Kaine is a nice guy who's highly qualified & would've helped with Senate outreach, but the VP doesn't necessarily need to fulfill that role or any particular role from a governing standpoint.

It was surreal seeing Democratic Party insiders & the Washington press all sing Kaine's praises, while meanwhile it was obvious to many young &/or left-leaning voters that he was a terrible choice for the reasons I mentioned above.

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1235033982716305413

Thanks, Liz

At this rate, I would probably vote for Kamala over Warren in 2024. At least Kamala won't choose her ego over the things she believes in.

If you could please check your bias for a second, then you would understand that Warren is choosing the things she believes in... by trying to become President. This is what primaries are for. Her different policies & different ideas of how to enact her policies are why she's running her own race for her own candidacy, & why Bernie isn't entitled to her or her supporters.

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1235033982716305413

Thanks, Liz

Extremely disappointed with her tonight.

It's pretty clear she wanted to prevent Bernie from ever getting the nomination.

Maybe Bernie and his supporters could learn something if they asked themselves how they managed to alienate a former ally so strongly. If nothing else, it shows why people like me are so skeptical of his ability to enact major reforms requiring lots of allies in government.

Oh f**k off

You're literally proving Crumpets' point for him, but sure, go off I guess 🤷

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/aaltman82/status/1235043712008220673

They. Switched. On. HIM!

[brucejoel99]

I said this early today and I was barked at.  Bernie should drop out tonight for the good of the party.  He is d.o.n.e.

Biden should drop out and move into a retirement home because he can't even form f**king sentences.  My west hyland terrier has better recall than that sundowning prick.

Just stop.

[brucejoel99]

CNN now has Biden taking the lead in Texas.

[brucejoel99]

Biden takes the lead in Texas

Beat me to it by 2 seconds

[brucejoel99]

There are so many factors that made the events of tonight possible. First, I think the DNC changing the rules to allow Bloomberg to participate in the last two debates helped Biden. If Bloomberg weren't in the Nevada Debate, that debate would've been the knockout punch for Biden's campaign as everyone crucified Bloomberg. Without him, all the attacks would've went to Biden. Second was the Clyburn endorsement. Third was Pete and Amy dropping out and campaigning for Biden (Biden wouldn't have won Minnesota without Amy's endorsement IMHO).

That all said, the fact that Bernie performed so poorly in Minnesota and Oklahoma (after winning both so strongly in 2016( really makes me question the extent of Bernie's appeal to working class whites. Tonight I'm starting to buy into the notion that Bernie did as well as he did in 2016 with that demographic because he was the sole anti Hillary vote in that primary and that they would've voted someone else if that someone was there. I'm gonna be watching Michigan and Missouri next week. If Bernie gets beat and beat bad in those states, then this will confirm that I and many others that said Bernie had strong appeal with working class  whites were wrong.

that's a lot of words for "Biden had no way to win the primary so Obama helped fix it for him, but we still should give him a ton of undue credit so that he's a paper tiger in the general."

k

[brucejoel99]

For those of you who don't think Biden represents where the Democratic Party is right now, and he's from a different time, etc.  Think of it this way.  Trump is a huge problem.  We need to get rid of him immediately.  Biden is a temporary solution.  There is a lot of time for a next generation to take the reigns but right now we need Trump gone before he does more damage.

Yea... we tried that last time.  It didn't work out too well.

We're doing it our way this time.

So you're giving us 4 more years of Trump. Got it.

[brucejoel99]

For those of you who don't think Biden represents where the Democratic Party is right now, and he's from a different time, etc.  Think of it this way.  Trump is a huge problem.  We need to get rid of him immediately.  Biden is a temporary solution.  There is a lot of time for a next generation to take the reigns but right now we need Trump gone before he does more damage.

Yea... we tried that last time.  It didn't work out too well.

We're doing it our way this time.

So you're giving us 4 more years of Trump. Got it.

No.  You are.  We told you this like 80 million times already.  Yet the bosses still went nuclear.  

So now we run the risk of going into the general with a completely uninspiring candidate whose liabilities are way beyond being labeled a "socialist."

It's not f**king rocket science.  Trump won in 2016 because people wanted to show up to vote for him in 2016.  If the GOP pulled the same sh**t that the Dems (read: Obama) just did, Hillary would have likely won the general because she'd have been facing Ted freaking Cruz or some bland ghoul.  

If you were seriously expecting the Sanders people to not be completely turned off by pulling this sh**t, you're either out of your mind or out of touch.

The fundamental error in your argument is that you believe "sh*t" has been "pulled." This is untrue, unless you believe it was actual voters who "pulled" some "sh*t," because they're the only ones who mattered. Sorry real people don't like Bernie as much you'd like them to, but there's a reason that Joe's easily breaking 50% in his stronger states whereas Bernie (with the exception of his home state) has trouble breaking 30%.

[brucejoel99]

Question: Did Maine used rank-choice voting for the DEM PRES PRIM this Year?

No.

[brucejoel99]

CA:

28 Days Left

Official Canvass Period: March 5, 2020 - April 24, 2020*

* Pursuant to Executive Order N-34-20 issued by the Governor on March 20, 2020, the official canvass period for the March 3, 2020, Presidential Primary Election was extended by 21 days.

Why did they extend the canvass period ? There are not even 150.000 ballots left to count.

Because California's ballot-counting process requires officials to be physically present in person, & there's obviously an increased level of risk associated with that right now (not to mention, less officials might feel comfortable coming in).

[brucejoel99]

Oh hello there

This is just a friendly reminder that Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar were still in the presidential race during the same month that we are currently in

(screams)

A month is a political lifetime.