MA-SEN Megathread: Senator Markey wins

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/AdamBassWCCS/status/1300867426997936130

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/hjessy_/status/1300870788468404227

[brucejoel99]

So many conflicting reports, it's either a good or bad day for Kennedy

On Fall River & Bristol County:

https://twitter.com/TedNesi/status/1300884682515640322
https://twitter.com/TedNesi/status/1300881308537757696
https://twitter.com/TedNesi/status/1300878618642599937

On Boston:

https://twitter.com/NilesGApol/status/1300881287243354112
https://twitter.com/Mark55____/status/1300879856851456000

On Lawrence:

https://twitter.com/hjessy_/status/1300885257110147074

[brucejoel99]

We have no way of drawing conclusive facts from this information

It's 4pm on a Tuesday & I'm an election junkie, let me be bored in peace!!

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/hjessy_/status/1300887174569701376
https://twitter.com/hjessy_/status/1300896295410905093
https://twitter.com/TedNesi/status/1300896004099670016
https://twitter.com/TedNesi/status/1300896248241827843
https://twitter.com/AdamBassWCCS/status/1300896577968578569

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/hjessy_/status/1300908972258467840
https://twitter.com/hjessy_/status/1300910620418740232

[brucejoel99]

It's always worth asking after the New York debacle: will we know the winners tonight?

https://twitter.com/hjessy_/status/1300783192010567680

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/hjessy_/status/1300911878202425344
https://twitter.com/hatemenallday/status/1300913826620231680

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/TedNesi/status/1300924855550914560
https://twitter.com/RyanLocher1/status/1300931181425422338https://twitter.com/hjessy_/status/1300931338695053312
https://twitter.com/hjessy_/status/1300932743803662348

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/TedNesi/status/1300940682459254784

[brucejoel99]

It's time.

[brucejoel99]

Is Markey expected to do better in Boston and Kennedy in south Mass? What's the geographic dynamic of the race?

https://twitter.com/hjessy_/status/1300931338695053312

[brucejoel99]

Why do so many pretend that many Markey supporters werent/aren't also Biden supporters?

Hi there!

Me and my friends voted Markey and mostly hated Bernie. I’m embarrassed to see the rose Twitter bullying and football spiking online from Markey’s young fans.

Also a staunch Biden supporter who went on to staunchly support Markey & be disgusted by all of the Rose Twitter bullying (particularly the assassination 'jokes').

[brucejoel99]

Kennedy's loss last night also means that three of America's political dynasties have been rejected within the last four years. In 2016, the Bushes and the Clintons were both defeated by Donald Trump: Jeb lost to him in the Republican primaries, and Hillary lost to him in the general election. And this year, in addition to Kennedy, one of the Bushes (I believe it was a son of Marvin Bush) lost a congressional primary in Texas. So this race provides further confirmation of my belief that American voters are tiring of political dynasties.

Tbf, the Kennedys - in contrast to the Bushes & Clintons - haven't been totally rejected (yet?): Amy Kennedy is about to go up against JVD in NJ, & Caroline's son will definitely run for something once he's done with law school

[brucejoel99]

Even though I'm a big Kennedy family guy, I really didn't understand why Kennedy made this unnecessary push to oust a solid incumbent. He's so young he could have risen in the ranks in the House before taking the next step with no opposition. Instead now he's just a guy who will be out of office. What's next? Governor against another popular incumbent in what probably will be a Republican year? Waiting for the next vacancy in the Senate? Maybe he gets an administration position, but I doubt it will be a really sexy one. He really must have just been operating to position himself for a presidential run in 2024 or 2028. Should have been patient man...

Because he's scared of Ayanna Pressley.

[brucejoel99]

Even though I'm a big Kennedy family guy, I really didn't understand why Kennedy made this unnecessary push to oust a solid incumbent. He's so young he could have risen in the ranks in the House before taking the next step with no opposition. Instead now he's just a guy who will be out of office. What's next? Governor against another popular incumbent in what probably will be a Republican year? Waiting for the next vacancy in the Senate? Maybe he gets an administration position, but I doubt it will be a really sexy one. He really must have just been operating to position himself for a presidential run in 2024 or 2028. Should have been patient man...

Because he's scared of Ayanna Pressley.

Why lol? He has a easier chance beating her

He wouldn't, though.

He saw how Pressley had very quickly become very prominent & very popular compared to himself - her star has been rising hot & fast, & many in Massachusetts seem to love her (& not to mention, a bastion of white privilege opposing a Black woman who's a rising star in Massachusetts Democratic politics probably wouldn't play all that well either) - & he also thought Markey was vulnerable based off of those polls from a year ago where he was polling wayyyy behind Kennedy, & because he (presumably) thought he'd have an easier time of knocking off Markey now rather than having to compete against Pressley in a few years' time, he decided to get out ahead of Pressley by taking a calculated risk: instead of waiting for a Senate seat to open up & being forced to go head-to-head with her, he'd try to primary Markey now by playing the young vs. old card. That obviously backfired, but he took the shot that he felt he needed to take.

[brucejoel99]

Even though I'm a big Kennedy family guy, I really didn't understand why Kennedy made this unnecessary push to oust a solid incumbent. He's so young he could have risen in the ranks in the House before taking the next step with no opposition. Instead now he's just a guy who will be out of office. What's next? Governor against another popular incumbent in what probably will be a Republican year? Waiting for the next vacancy in the Senate? Maybe he gets an administration position, but I doubt it will be a really sexy one. He really must have just been operating to position himself for a presidential run in 2024 or 2028. Should have been patient man...

Because he's scared of Ayanna Pressley.

Why lol? He has a easier chance beating her

He wouldn't, though.

He saw how Pressley had very quickly become very prominent & very popular compared to himself - her star has been rising hot & fast, & many in Massachusetts seem to love her (& not to mention, a bastion of white privilege opposing a Black woman who's a rising star in Massachusetts Democratic politics probably wouldn't play all that well either) - & he also thought Markey was vulnerable based off of those polls from a year ago where he was polling wayyyy behind Kennedy, & because he (presumably) thought he'd have an easier time of knocking off Markey now rather than having to compete against Pressley in a few years' time, he decided to get out ahead of Pressley by taking a calculated risk: instead of waiting for a Senate seat to open up & being forced to go head-to-head with her, he'd try to primary Markey now by playing the young vs. old card. That obviously backfired, but he took the shot that he felt he needed to take.

MA democrats aren't as progressive as people think and a black liberal female tied to radicalism would most likely lose against a Kennedy.This was a miscalculation on her part imo- besides winning an open seat is always easier than winning against an incumbent.

Pressley would very much have a strong base of votes in the Boston/Cambridge/Somerville area alone to comfortably lead Kennedy.

[brucejoel99]

Hopefully, Warren goes for Treasury and Kennedy v Pressley primary, Kennedy would win

About time you say something I like.

In my gut I kind of think he still would win but maybe I’m just being hopeful cause frankly he just lost to the biggest, most irrelevant loser there is in the Dem party. So who knows

Sorry, but just to point out the inaccuracy of this statement, it is Kennedy who is the loser here.

I mean in a sense yes because he lost the 2020 race.

But overall ....Markey is again, the biggest most irrelevant loser in the party right now. it’s between him and overrated Stacey Abrams. But we don’t know what Abrams would do in office, we know Markey will do NOTHINF

lol k

[brucejoel99]

Hopefully, Warren goes for Treasury and Kennedy v Pressley primary, Kennedy would win

About time you say something I like.

In my gut I kind of think he still would win but maybe I’m just being hopeful cause frankly he just lost to the biggest, most irrelevant loser there is in the Dem party. So who knows

Sorry, but just to point out the inaccuracy of this statement, it is Kennedy who is the loser here.

I mean in a sense yes because he lost the 2020 race.

But overall ....Markey is again, the biggest most irrelevant loser in the party right now. it’s between him and overrated Stacey Abrams. But we don’t know what Abrams would do in office, we know Markey will do NOTHINF

lol k

I'm not sure how Markey can be described as the "biggest most irrelevant loser" when he just defeated a member of the Kennedy dynasty in Massachusetts, someone who was viewed as a rising star by many political observers.

*whispers* He can't, but we're just gonna continue allowing MM to live in his fantasy dream world because we're far past the point of trying to tune him into reality.

[brucejoel99]

Hopefully, Warren goes for Treasury and Kennedy v Pressley primary, Kennedy would win

About time you say something I like.

In my gut I kind of think he still would win but maybe I’m just being hopeful cause frankly he just lost to the biggest, most irrelevant loser there is in the Dem party. So who knows

Sorry, but just to point out the inaccuracy of this statement, it is Kennedy who is the loser here.

I mean in a sense yes because he lost the 2020 race.

But overall ....Markey is again, the biggest most irrelevant loser in the party right now. it’s between him and overrated Stacey Abrams. But we don’t know what Abrams would do in office, we know Markey will do NOTHINF

lol k

I'm not sure how Markey can be described as the "biggest most irrelevant loser" when he just defeated a member of the Kennedy dynasty in Massachusetts, someone who was viewed as a rising star by many political observers.

That’s WHY it’s such a tragedy.

Because (and take the Kennedy name out of it) but a young, talented, courageous, selfless rising star in the party with a combination of outsider  progesssive ideals  and yet insider connections - was defeated by someone who I repeat is USELESS. Story after story about constituents attempting to reach out to him for help and them being shunned, ignored and plain old disrespected by Ed Markey. And his legislative accomplishments are minimal.

But because of one single shrude political calculation to align himself with AOC (because he knew a primary challenge was imminent after seeing Presley’s win) - he suddenly became the darling of the far progressive left which no doubt made the difference as that latte liberal coelessed around him and turned on Joe Kennedy making him appear as “entitled” for daring to primary an incumbent even though it’s happened in a handful of high profile races recently.

And it may have just ended the career of someone who was the future of the party and ironically - likely the best shot of a progressive reaching the White House - as it’s likely he would’ve in 8-16 years.. and all for what? 6 more yrs of Ed Effing Markey? 😂🤦🏻‍♂️

Lol Markey is the co-writer of the GND. That alone means he's 10 times more progressive than Kennedy.

So because he introduced a resolution to the senate introducing something that was primarily an effort by AOC (a resolution that failed miserably) he’s 10x more progressive then Kennedy? Even though he opposed desegregation of Boston schools? Supported a college that banned interracial relationships, voted for the ‘94 crime bill, voted for the Iraq war and consistently voted to renew the Patriot act?

Talk about a lazy weak narrative. Right up there with “mUh sO eNtiTleD” 🙄

A. You have been told time & time again that the GND is equally as much Markey's as it is AOC's. Stop outright lying by saying over & over again that he only jumped on board because she's responsible for it when you know damn well (because it's been all of us here on Atlas giving you the receipts over & over again) that he's been Capitol Hill's premier environmental activist for nearly 5 decades now.

B. This isn't a purity contest (but even if it were, then let's remember that the only reason Kennedy didn't vote for the crime bill or the PATRIOT Act or Iraq was because he couldn't since he wasn't in Congress at those times; let's be under no illusion, though: if he were in Congress, then he absolutely would've voted for all of those things). No, Markey's more progressive than Kennedy because he's championing more progressive policies than Kennedy did. Hell, the left went to war for him not because he's a pure progressive but because he's willing to give them the time & day, to listen to them, & to atone for & evolve from his previous mistakes. Pretty plain & simple equation there

C. The primary's over. You lost. Move the f**k on, & stop belittling your opposition & saying they're stupid for not agreeing with you, because that's not how you win converts to your cause.

[brucejoel99]

Hopefully, Warren goes for Treasury and Kennedy v Pressley primary, Kennedy would win

About time you say something I like.

In my gut I kind of think he still would win but maybe I’m just being hopeful cause frankly he just lost to the biggest, most irrelevant loser there is in the Dem party. So who knows

Sorry, but just to point out the inaccuracy of this statement, it is Kennedy who is the loser here.

I mean in a sense yes because he lost the 2020 race.

But overall ....Markey is again, the biggest most irrelevant loser in the party right now. it’s between him and overrated Stacey Abrams. But we don’t know what Abrams would do in office, we know Markey will do NOTHINF

lol k

I'm not sure how Markey can be described as the "biggest most irrelevant loser" when he just defeated a member of the Kennedy dynasty in Massachusetts, someone who was viewed as a rising star by many political observers.

That’s WHY it’s such a tragedy.

Because (and take the Kennedy name out of it) but a young, talented, courageous, selfless rising star in the party with a combination of outsider  progesssive ideals  and yet insider connections - was defeated by someone who I repeat is USELESS. Story after story about constituents attempting to reach out to him for help and them being shunned, ignored and plain old disrespected by Ed Markey. And his legislative accomplishments are minimal.

But because of one single shrude political calculation to align himself with AOC (because he knew a primary challenge was imminent after seeing Presley’s win) - he suddenly became the darling of the far progressive left which no doubt made the difference as that latte liberal coelessed around him and turned on Joe Kennedy making him appear as “entitled” for daring to primary an incumbent even though it’s happened in a handful of high profile races recently.

And it may have just ended the career of someone who was the future of the party and ironically - likely the best shot of a progressive reaching the White House - as it’s likely he would’ve in 8-16 years.. and all for what? 6 more yrs of Ed Effing Markey? 😂🤦🏻‍♂️

I have to say your obsession with JKIII is a little weird.

Like I get your guy lost but the fact that you come on this thread and spew mellow drama after anyone says anything bad about godking JKIII is a bit sad.

There are other young progressives in the party, hell even in MA. Just because one lost doesn't mean that the progressive movement is dead, after all a progressive just won the MA dem primary!

It can be weird to you but I admire what the Kennedy’s have done for this country and there relentless devotion to public service. JK3 in particular is best suited to not just keep the dream alive but to be a rarity - a progesssive in a real position of power.

Amy Kennedy, tho