Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v2

[brucejoel99]

Biden.

Warren will not win a national election no matter how much the hard left hype her.

Biden, without a doubt. I like him, but I am a little uneasy about a 2020 run for some reason. I think I am still a little spurned by the stunning HRC defeat. A lot of his old stuff will be brought up for scrutiny by the younger voters and the hard left. It won't be HRC bad but it will be draining.

Just out of curiosity, what so heavily changed your perception over the last 2 years, considering you seemed to have been, at the very least, a soft Biden fan at the time?

Still waiting on that answer...

[brucejoel99]

This noise from certain people and the media is overhyped. All Uncle Joe was saying is that he got some stuff done even by working with the most deplorable people. He picked them as examples because of the stark contrast to him. He understands that on occasion you have to work with the other side to get stuff done. That's how FDR passed the New Deal and LBJ the Great Society. Reagan also reached out to Democrats and even respected Tip O'Neill as a person. The far left and far right will never get 100% of what they want and if so won't last beyond an election cycle.

The only comment he shouldn't have made it is the "boy" thing. But this is just Uncle Joe being Uncle Joe. He's nevertheless a very fine human being.

This. He didn't praise a segregationist. He said that, sometimes in Congress, one has to work with terrible or downright racist colleagues to get things done. And he then went on to say that, when you can't work with them, you work around them.

[brucejoel99]

Al Sharpton interviewed Biden: Joe Biden: Comments About Segregationists Taken Out Of Context; "They Didn't Print The Whole Deal"

Biden voted for Clarence Thomas, said that his state is a slave state and you must be Brown to work at 7-11. Biden has a history of racial insensitivity


Biden needs to apologize

No. Biden voted against Thomas.

[brucejoel99]

Al Sharpton interviewed Biden: Joe Biden: Comments About Segregationists Taken Out Of Context; "They Didn't Print The Whole Deal"

Biden voted for Clarence Thomas, said that his state is a slave state and you must be Brown to work at 7-11. Biden has a history of racial insensitivity


Biden needs to apologize

No. Biden voted against Thomas.

Yes, he did, the committee voted 13-1 to advance the nomination to the full Senate, where on the floor he voted against it.  Even Kennedy voted to advance the nomination to the full Senate. Paul Simon was the only one to vote against advancing the nomination to full Senate.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Thomas_Supreme_Court_nomination

That's why Biden apologized to Anita Hill

He was part of a 13-1 majority to send the Thomas nomination to the full Senate without recommendation. A motion to give the nomination a favorable recommendation (i.e. a vote for Thomas) failed 7-7, with Biden having opposed it.

Moreover, in the context of discussing Anita Hill, the committee votes are irrelevant as they had nothing to do with her sexual harassment allegations, considering they only became public AFTER the nomination had been reported out from the committee, which you would know if you'd taken the 5 seconds it took to read the relevant section of the Wikipedia page you sent me rather than simply rush back here so you could continue talking out of your ass.

[brucejoel99]

Biden has had a history of saying racially insensitive remarks, who cares about his vote, and he isnt going to be the nominee, as you think he has.

All I know is that it's sad that, in lieu of actually admitting you were wrong, you pivot to "wElL wHo CaReS aBoUt HiS vOtE, wHaT aBoUt AlL tHiS StUfF" instead of just acknowledging that you said something that wasn't factually correct.

When you go around saying a segregationist is the way you move legislation, saying Obama is clean black man that got ahead, and saying Brown skinned people work at 7 eleven, and DEL is a slave state, Biden doesnt deserve the nomination.

Alan J.Dixon, who was IL most prestigious Senator, lost, in my home state of IL, due to his vote for Clarence Thomas, that's why Simon refused to even vote in committee for a favorable recommendation for Thomas.

Obviously, Biden was hurt by his vote, he still apologized for to Hill, 20 yrs later.

Ignoring the fact that that's some massive taking of those remarks out of context (for example, he didn't praise a segregationist; he said that, sometimes in Congress, one has to work with terrible or downright racist colleagues to get things done, & then he went on to say that, when you can't work with them, you work around them), how can one claim that Simon refused to vote for Thomas because Dixon had lost when Dixon didn't lose until 5 months after Thomas was confirmed?? Did Paul Simon, of all people, master time travel technology? Did he have a DeLorean? A TARDIS? A quantum tunnel & time-space GPS? I'd love to know.

[brucejoel99]

Biden has had a history of saying racially insensitive remarks, who cares about his vote, and he isnt going to be the nominee, as you think he has.

All I know is that it's sad that, in lieu of actually admitting you were wrong, you pivot to "wElL wHo CaReS aBoUt HiS vOtE, wHaT aBoUt AlL tHiS StUfF" instead of just acknowledging that you said something that wasn't factually correct.

When you go around saying a segregationist is the way you move legislation, saying Obama is clean black man that got ahead, and saying Brown skinned people work at 7 eleven, and DEL is a slave state, Biden doesnt deserve the nomination.

Alan J.Dixon, who was IL most prestigious Senator, lost, in my home state of IL, due to his vote for Clarence Thomas, that's why Simon refused to even vote in committee for a favorable recommendation for Thomas.

Obviously, Biden was hurt by his vote, he still apologized for to Hill, 20 yrs later.

Ignoring the fact that that's some massive taking of those remarks out of context (for example, he didn't praise a segregationist; he said that, sometimes in Congress, one has to work with terrible or downright racist colleagues to get things done, & then he went on to say that, when you can't work with them, you work around them), how can one claim that Simon refused to vote for Thomas because Dixon had lost when Dixon didn't lose until 5 months after Thomas was confirmed?? Did Paul Simon, of all people, master time travel technology? Did he have a DeLorean? A TARDIS? A quantum tunnel & time-space GPS? I'd love to know.

Bro, are you seriously having a heated argument with olowakandi?

Apparently. This is where I've truly erred as an Atlas poster, isn't it?

[brucejoel99]

Excuse me, but I find it hard to believe the candidate of the age 50+ union workers has support from the largely young crowd obsessed with climate change. There aren't enough old hippies in this country to outnumber them, and the Pac-12 Sustainability Conference is fully behind Jay Inslee.

I don't think these regular young people who just chose to rate the #1 issue they care about the most as climate change when they were polled take their marching orders from the Pac-12 Sustainability Conference, but okay.

[brucejoel99]

Excuse me, but I find it hard to believe the candidate of the age 50+ union workers has support from the largely young crowd obsessed with climate change. There aren't enough old hippies in this country to outnumber them, and the Pac-12 Sustainability Conference is fully behind Jay Inslee.

I don't think these regular young people who just chose to rate the #1 issue they care about the most as climate change when they were polled take their marching orders from the Pac-12 Sustainability Conference, but okay.

The Pac-12 Sustainability Conference is the voice of the aging, not the young! Come on Bruce! That's why we are questioning the Biden position not the Bernie. Zero young people support Joe Biden so why are old people who care about living green voting for him? If Jay Inslee is not in your final four, pretty soon it will be our planet singing woah-oh-oh, I'm on fire. And believe me, it won't be a six inch valley, we'll be talking about a six thousand kilometer valley where the real Amazon used to be. (Check out my charity website, I love Jeff Bezos dot org)

Can't tell if memeing or trolling.

Gotta hand it to you for that Springsteen reference, though. I'm much appreciative.

[brucejoel99]

Not sure if this type of story will get any traction, but I could see a few Dems going after this: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-biden-has-made-millions-since-leaving-vice-presidency-moved-into-5m-mansion-report

If they did it to Clinton, they should do it to Biden.

Wouldn't be surprised if this line of attack (compared to last time) is being avoided by the left because of a potential to backfire, considering Bernie's now also made a lot of money since his first presidential run.

Something something UNO reverse card, something something no u.

[brucejoel99]

Something something UNO reverse card, something something no u.

Huh?

It's a meme.

[brucejoel99]

Something something UNO reverse card, something something no u.

Huh?

It's a meme.

I know. It's the UNO reverse card no u that confused me

The UNO reverse card/no u is the meme.

[brucejoel99]

So how long before Biden un-asks Obama not to endorse him?

[brucejoel99]

I feel like Joe is way more vulnerable on abortion than on the busing stuff which is totally irrelevant today. He's literally on record trashing Roe and calling abortion a tragedy in addition to voting for the Hyde Amendment. That would've been far more salient than some issue that mattered 40 years ago.

If he is in the July debate with Gillibrand, I can just see her pulling a Harris on him over Hyde. I expect a lot more confrontation in future debates, in general. It's a tactic that has been working to the favor of the instigator so far.

I highly doubt Gillibrand will make it to the July debate.

But she's already qualified

[brucejoel99]

I feel like Joe is way more vulnerable on abortion than on the busing stuff which is totally irrelevant today. He's literally on record trashing Roe and calling abortion a tragedy in addition to voting for the Hyde Amendment. That would've been far more salient than some issue that mattered 40 years ago.

If he is in the July debate with Gillibrand, I can just see her pulling a Harris on him over Hyde. I expect a lot more confrontation in future debates, in general. It's a tactic that has been working to the favor of the instigator so far.

I highly doubt Gillibrand will make it to the July debate.

But she's already qualified

 How so?

July has the same criteria, it’s the third debate in September, that changes it

Yeah, this. The same polls & 65K donors that qualified her for the June debate also simultaneously qualified her for the July debate as well.

[brucejoel99]

It is still Biden's nomination to lose, but if he doesn't stop the flailing, Warren/Harris/Sanders/Ryan will be the nominee.

Will you knock it off?

Brokered convention, they pick someone who has no baggage. This could go all the way to Milwaukee.

No.

[brucejoel99]

Biden unveils health care plan: Affordable Care Act 2.0

Democratic front-runner Joe Biden today will unveil a health plan that’s intended to preserve the most popular parts of Obamacare — from Medicaid expansion to protections for patients with pre-existing conditions — and build on them with a new government-run public insurance option.

Biden would also empower Medicare to directly negotiate drug prices, allow the importation of prescription drugs from abroad and extend tax credits to help tens of millions of Americans buy lower-priced health insurance.

Is it much different to HRC's healthcare plan had she won in 2016?

With the exception of seemingly no mention of Medicare at 55 (admittedly, though, I've only read the news articles about the plan rather than the actual plan itself), I don't think so, no.

I've also heard no mention of the Biden plan restoring the individual mandate, which I think would be a mistake to not restore.

Going after Obama is silly. He's the most beloved figure within the Democratic Party (for a good reason).

It's not silly, he was a pretty bad President if you actually look at what he did and not just at the hype and rhetoric.

It's silly in the context of being a Democratic presidential candidate, since the voters you need to win over in order to successfully become the nominee (let alone keep as part of your coalition to win the general election come November) massively support Obama & won't take kindly to criticism being levied at him.

[brucejoel99]

Going after Obama is silly. He's the most beloved figure within the Democratic Party (for a good reason).

It's not silly, he was a pretty bad President if you actually look at what he did and not just at the hype and rhetoric.

It actually is. If you think black people in the South care about who he bombed in the Middle East or whatever I have some ocean front property in Kansas to sell you.

Anyway, I think it's cute how Biden threw up the Obama shield in his new ad on his healthcare plan when Obama endorsed Medicare for All 10 months ago:

https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1038109264391430145

An endorsement that means nothing when everybody knows that such a bill is going to be politically impossible to enact.

[brucejoel99]

This is a Jeanne Moos video (comical), titled ...
Joe Biden challenges Trump to a push-up contest.

If interested, here is the link: https://us.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/07/17/push-up-challenge-jeanne-moos-pkg-ebof-vpx.cnn

Jeanne Moos is a bigger threat to the institution of American journalism than Trump will ever be.

[brucejoel99]

Oh give it a rest, this isn't weird at all. He's a grandpa from a generation where this was perfectly normal. If it was a random girl, then maybe, but some families kiss on the lips; whatever, I don't judge. You're really stretching.

[brucejoel99]

Oh give it a rest, this isn't weird at all. He's a grandpa from a generation where this was perfectly normal. If it was a random girl, then maybe, but some families kiss on the lips; whatever, I don't judge. You're really stretching.

it Trump did it you'd be all over it

As if this is the same as Trump literally saying that he'd wanna date his daughter.

[brucejoel99]

Oh give it a rest, this isn't weird at all. He's a grandpa from a generation where this was perfectly normal. If it was a random girl, then maybe, but some families kiss on the lips; whatever, I don't judge. You're really stretching.

it Trump did it you'd be all over it

As if this is the same as Trump literally saying that he'd wanna date his daughter.

Stop taking Trump literally with everything

Oh no, I'm so sorry for having taken the words of the President of the United States at face value, especially when he gave me no reason not to (well, at least in this instance, anyway).

[brucejoel99]

Oh give it a rest, this isn't weird at all. He's a grandpa from a generation where this was perfectly normal. If it was a random girl, then maybe, but some families kiss on the lips; whatever, I don't judge. You're really stretching.

it Trump did it you'd be all over it

As if this is the same as Trump literally saying that he'd wanna date his daughter.

Stop taking Trump literally with everything

Oh no, I'm so sorry for having taken the words of the President of the United States at face value, especially when he gave me no reason not to (well, at least in this instance, anyway).

All democrats have is words . There are dozens of videos of Biden being creepy and acting inappropriate. There is no actual evidence Trump has assaulted anyone all the stories have never been substantiated.

Well, if you ignore literally all of the credible sexual misconduct allegations that have been levied against him, then yeah, I guess all we do have are his words, which are still creepy af.

[brucejoel99]

Oh give it a rest, this isn't weird at all. He's a grandpa from a generation where this was perfectly normal. If it was a random girl, then maybe, but some families kiss on the lips; whatever, I don't judge. You're really stretching.

it Trump did it you'd be all over it

As if this is the same as Trump literally saying that he'd wanna date his daughter.

Stop taking Trump literally with everything

Oh no, I'm so sorry for having taken the words of the President of the United States at face value, especially when he gave me no reason not to (well, at least in this instance, anyway).

All democrats have is words . There are dozens of videos of Biden being creepy and acting inappropriate. There is no actual evidence Trump has assaulted anyone all the stories have never been substantiated.

Yeah, it's not like we have Trump on tape bragging about his sexual assaults or anything.

Nice running away with your tail between your legs though and trying to change the topic. Look, if you're gonna be a proud Republican you'll just have to deal with embracing rape. That's your party and your values. Whining about how a Democratic politician (criticized by much of the base) hugs his granddaughter doesn't really change the fact that you're cheering for the pro-rape party. 

There's dozens of videos of Biden acting creepy around little kids. Looks like you're the one who just changed the topic. This is about Biden not the Republicans. Democrats are always deflecting to Trump for everything. If you're gonna be a democratic hack like most of this forum then you are embracing socialism, the squad, antisemitic statements and free health care for illegals. You support a far left party. Period. End of story. Trump's policies aren't radical. The only thing democrats have to knock is the fact he's an entertainer.

Look at this comment thread & you'll see that you, the Republican, were the one who brought up Trump in this discussion.

[brucejoel99]

Oh give it a rest, this isn't weird at all. He's a grandpa from a generation where this was perfectly normal. If it was a random girl, then maybe, but some families kiss on the lips; whatever, I don't judge. You're really stretching.

it Trump did it you'd be all over it

As if this is the same as Trump literally saying that he'd wanna date his daughter.

Stop taking Trump literally with everything

Oh no, I'm so sorry for having taken the words of the President of the United States at face value, especially when he gave me no reason not to (well, at least in this instance, anyway).

All democrats have is words . There are dozens of videos of Biden being creepy and acting inappropriate. There is no actual evidence Trump has assaulted anyone all the stories have never been substantiated.

Yeah, it's not like we have Trump on tape bragging about his sexual assaults or anything.

Nice running away with your tail between your legs though and trying to change the topic. Look, if you're gonna be a proud Republican you'll just have to deal with embracing rape. That's your party and your values. Whining about how a Democratic politician (criticized by much of the base) hugs his granddaughter doesn't really change the fact that you're cheering for the pro-rape party. 

There's dozens of videos of Biden acting creepy around little kids. Looks like you're the one who just changed the topic. This is about Biden not the Republicans. Democrats are always deflecting to Trump for everything. If you're gonna be a democratic hack like most of this forum then you are embracing socialism, the squad, antisemitic statements and free health care for illegals. You support a far left party. Period. End of story. Trump's policies aren't radical. The only thing democrats have to knock is the fact he's an entertainer.

Look at this comment thread & you'll see that you, the Republican, were the one who brought up Trump in this discussion.

because it had to be pointed out. This board is non stop hypocrisy for democrats. Biden gets away with it cause he's a democrat. Also isn't it past your bedtime?

Pot, meet kettle.

[brucejoel99]

Oh give it a rest, this isn't weird at all. He's a grandpa from a generation where this was perfectly normal. If it was a random girl, then maybe, but some families kiss on the lips; whatever, I don't judge. You're really stretching.

it Trump did it you'd be all over it

As if this is the same as Trump literally saying that he'd wanna date his daughter.

Stop taking Trump literally with everything

Oh no, I'm so sorry for having taken the words of the President of the United States at face value, especially when he gave me no reason not to (well, at least in this instance, anyway).

All democrats have is words . There are dozens of videos of Biden being creepy and acting inappropriate. There is no actual evidence Trump has assaulted anyone all the stories have never been substantiated.

Yeah, it's not like we have Trump on tape bragging about his sexual assaults or anything.

Nice running away with your tail between your legs though and trying to change the topic. Look, if you're gonna be a proud Republican you'll just have to deal with embracing rape. That's your party and your values. Whining about how a Democratic politician (criticized by much of the base) hugs his granddaughter doesn't really change the fact that you're cheering for the pro-rape party. 

There's dozens of videos of Biden acting creepy around little kids. Looks like you're the one who just changed the topic. This is about Biden not the Republicans. Democrats are always deflecting to Trump for everything. If you're gonna be a democratic hack like most of this forum then you are embracing socialism, the squad, antisemitic statements and free health care for illegals. You support a far left party. Period. End of story. Trump's policies aren't radical. The only thing democrats have to knock is the fact he's an entertainer.

Look at this comment thread & you'll see that you, the Republican, were the one who brought up Trump in this discussion.

because it had to be pointed out. This board is non stop hypocrisy for democrats. Biden gets away with it cause he's a democrat. Also isn't it past your bedtime?

Pot, meet kettle.

I and a few others bring sanity to a board that is totally insane. I read the comments in 2016 even though I didn't comment. It was a non stop love fest and 90% of the board thought Trump had 0 chance of winning. The same posts are happening again now. Democrats are being totally one sided in their arguments and presenting no compelling reasons why they will win in 2020. There is absolutely no compelling case to make right now that Trump will not get reelected. 0. The economy is the best since 1969, the democrats are lurching further and further left and there leading candidate is a 78 year old career politician. Trump could not be in a better position. You like most democrats are in complete denial.

Project much?