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Question: Which of the following do you sanction?
#1
Removing the Confederate flag from public grounds and license plates
 
#2
Removing Confederate monuments from public grounds
 
#3
Removing Confederate names from roads, bridges, highways, schools, etc
 
#4
Getting rid of Confederate History Month
 
#5
Getting rid of Confederate holidays
 
#6
Forbidding private homeowners from flying the Confederate flag on their property
 
#7
Other (please specify, in case I missed anything)
 
#8
NOTA
 
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Cashew
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« on: August 19, 2017, 12:14:10 AM »
« edited: August 19, 2017, 12:46:20 AM by Cashew »

1-5, although the regular solders that were brainwashed or conscripted into fighting this war do still deserve some respect, so I am willing to make an exception at cemeteries provided the statues are solemn and not celebratory, but as we all know respecting the courage of solders in an apolitical manner was never the intention behind the vast majority of these monuments, those should be broken up and scattered or recycled.

There are also certain locations that have gained too much historical significance for other reasons that makes the value of remaining them questionable. One thing that I would oppose renaming is the Edmund Pettus Bridge because although it was named after a confederate general and klansman, it is famous as the sight where where civil rights activists marched to overcome what he helped to establish. At this point leaving his name alone while black people cross "his" bridge daily constitutes a bigger f**k you than changing the name would be.

Another thing that needs to be done is strip the SCV and UDC of their tax exempt status for their political meddling, as well as their black confederate and states' rights falsehoods. While at it send in a few FBI informants to expose whatever connection they have to white nationalists.

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Cashew
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2017, 12:27:50 PM »
« Edited: August 19, 2017, 03:35:39 PM by Cashew »

Another thing that needs to be done is strip the SCV and UDC of their tax exempt status for their political meddling, as well as their black confederate and states' rights falsehoods.

If only SCV could avoid meddling in politics like the good non-profits. You know, like Planned Parenthood, and the NRA, and the ACLU, and the Sierra Club. The SCV needs to dial back its political activities to only be as politically meddlesome and dishonest as a teacher's union. Because we all know that when election time rolls around, you cant watch tv for 10 minutes without seeing an ad from the United Daughters of the Confederacy.

I see what you are trying to say, but I will add that I actually support reining in planned parenthood politically. The other two you mentioned are 501c4 and more fact based. Tax exemptions are a privilege not a right.
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Cashew
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2019, 04:02:50 PM »
« Edited: May 09, 2019, 05:36:01 PM by Blind Jaunting »

4,5, and 6, but definitely would consider implementing the other ones

#6 would be a violation of the 1st amendment. Is the 1st amendment an "antiquated piece of trash" just like you think the 2nd amendment is?
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You know who REALLY thought the Constitution was trash?

... the Confederates.

Why did the care so much about the Tenth Amendment then? The Confederates were trying to break away from the tyrannical government in Washington because Washington didn't care about the Constitution including their Tenth Amendment rights.
LOL. Literally nobody argued secession was legal because of the Tenth Amendment in 1861. Most Confederate politicians agreed secession was illegal, they just didn't care, because their right to continue buying and selling human beings was more important to them. You should read the actual secession ordinances published by the Confederate states instead of parroting ahistorical talking points invented decades after the war to justify a failed rebellion.

(Also, LOL at implying Tom is part of the "radical left.")

It is a common misconception that the Confederacy is about slavery. That is simply not the case. It's about state rights and reducing the power of the federal government. I do not support slavery, but I don't support massive bureaucratic federal governments either. A confederate system is far more efficient and allows states to be more tailored to the desires of the people of those states.

Here are some parts of the cornerstone speech you might find interesting:

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But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other-though last, not least: the new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions-African slavery as it exists among us-the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the Constitution, was the prevailing idea at the time. The Constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly used against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it-when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition. [Applause.] This, our new Government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

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It is the first Government ever instituted upon principles in strict conformity to nature, and the ordination of Providence, in furnishing the materials of human society. Many Governments have been founded upon the principles of certain classes; but the classes thus enslaved, were of the same race, and in violation of the laws of nature. Our system commits no such violation of nature's laws. The negro by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, [note: A reference to Genesis, 9:20-27, which was used as a justification for slavery] is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system.

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Our Confederacy is founded upon principles in strict conformity with these laws. This stone which was rejected by the first builders "is become the chief stone of the corner" in our new edifice.

https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1861stephens.asp
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