PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

[Hollywood]

Just got home but surprised by both McCormick and Barnette, but this goes to show the value of money in the bank on election day. McCormick had a professional operation in place and Barnette didn't. It's not everything, but it helps in a close race.

Anyway, both races remain Lean R for me.

RGA won't even commit to spending for Mastriano or against Shapiro, making the Gubernatorial election Lean D for now. And that frees up more PADP resources in the form of people power for Fetterman, so the Senate election between Fetterman and Oz should remain a tossup.

I'm going to laugh so hard when this take (which, the majority of people here agree with) inevitably does not age well. Y'all will never learn.

I live on the border of Mastriano's state senate district and noticed him throughout his so far short political career, please tell me what he has going for him besides the national environment, I'm open to changing my opinion but yeah what makes him a winnable candidate?

He's got a lot going for him.  More than that Bernie Democrat, Fetterman, whose campaign has mostly been focused on marijuana legalization, and anti-corporate progressive policy that has polled terribly since Biden stepped into office.  On the other hand,  Mastriano is a military expert that taught as War College Professor after his long career in the army (and NATO), and he's written papers on the socioeconomic and military strategies necessary for preventing and defending a Russian land invasion.  The man has advanced understanding of the logistical needs of energy resources like LNG, and has put forward an infrastructure plan to connect PA gas companies to East Coast ports for transport to Europe. Mastriano has had a life of substantive accomplishment.  

Fetterman is best known for being an unprofessional mayor that's best known for chasing a black man with a shotgun for 'some reason'.  Hmmm.  The Democrat Party blocked Bernie from the Presidential Nomination in 2020, because they knew that he'd lose a state like PA while over-performing in the primaries with hardline rhetoric.   I'm actually excited to see where this goes, because I've been money with my predictions of impending doom. 

[Hollywood]

Fetterman's first four words from the debate were "Hello. Good night everybody."  It just kept worse and worse as the night moved along.  Fetterman is objectively the worst candidate running for Senate.  He literally cannot communicate ideas.  He can't even engage in small talk.  But what about Walker?  He clearly performed better than Fetterman.  I don't even have to examine the political arguments, or fact check the statements, to come to that conclusion.  

[Hollywood]

What I can't shake here is the implication embedded in all of the posts from our "friends" on the other side, which is that if you've had a stroke that causes aphasia, you are either disqualified from public service because it's somehow an immutable characteristic or you should retire from public life and "focus on recovery" i.e. more or less retire to nursing home. If anything horrible has ever happened to you? It's time to basically give up on life because if you do that, it helps some scumbag snake oil peddler with a R behind their name get elected to Senate.

John Fetterman is 53 years old. His brain is almost certainly in better shape than the brain of Chuck Grassley and we can expect Fetterman will be alive for much longer than Grassley will be alive. Yet we're subjected to a torrent of abuse when Grassley is effectively running as a rotting corpse. It isn't insulting to mention this about Grassley because the curse of our mortality and fragility in old age is a fact of human life - he is doomed to die sooner rather than later.

The hypocrisy and lack of self-reflection here is stunning. It is possible to hope for your candidate to win without signaling that a father with children who seems to basically be a good guy is a reprobate and also a vegetable.

You know this how?

You people keep demonstrating why this frenzied defense of Fetterman is such a turnoff. You know it's a bad situation but you think if you just talk enough, regardless of whether you know what the hell you're talking about, it will just go away.

Undecided voters don't want to hear "don't worry, his brain is fine" from someone whose basis for saying that is nothing beyond wishful thinking. They don't to hear what-about-ing about Herschel Walker or Chuck Grassley.

Undecided voters want to know why you people insisted Fetterman was ready to debate and would be fine, and he wasn't. What happened? And why should anyone believe this is the last time the Fetterman campaign will offer reassurances that turn out to be empty?

He turned up to the debate and had problems communicating, which is perfectly consistent with stroke-induced aphasia. Another fact is that aphasia is a condition that may be overcome, albeit with a lot of effort, relatively swiftly - not over 4 months but over a few years. There is no "whataboutism" here. Fetterman performed miserably: he had a stroke and has aphasia. I don't think this is a problem because it's a temporary condition.

Fetterman has had a severe case of Asphasia for over 5 months, so it isn't temporary.  The greatest rate of recover occurs within the 1st days and month, and the rate of recovery drops after the 6th Months. A patient that doesn't start recovery will only solidify the symptoms.  High stress environments can worsen the condition by creating anxiety, depression, and agitation for the patient.  

It's also worth noting that Fetterman has a big hump on the back of his neck due to fat deposits or tumors.  This is indicative of multiple types of cancers.  People with humps, even when it regresses, have an increased risk of Atrial Fibrillation and stroke.  This is one of the clearest signs that Fetterman's health issues will only worsen in office.

[Hollywood]

Fetterman's first four words from the debate were "Hello. Good night everybody."  It just kept worse and worse as the night moved along.  Fetterman is objectively the worst candidate running for Senate.  He literally cannot communicate ideas.  He can't even engage in small talk.  But what about Walker?  He clearly performed better than Fetterman.  I don't even have to examine the political arguments, or fact check the statements, to come to that conclusion.  

The argument here is that based on motivating reasoning and magical thinking you can decide that blue equals green and that your wife is a gorgeous supermodel and so on. Guess what - you can't do that! John Fetterman is terrible at communicating but he can, clearly, communicate ideas, albeit badly. He obviously can engage in "small talk" - it's just difficult for him.

Again, my view is that Dr. Oz will win because of "the issues", not due to Fetterman having a stroke. Your side can simply say "it's sad Fetterman had a stroke, I hope he gets better, but Dr. Oz should win because America is a mess and Republicans can fix it". Really not hard to behave like civilized people...

He obviously can't engage in small talk if he's having difficulty with 'hello' and 'goodbye'.  There was even a liberal reporter that said Fetterman had difficulty with small talk after an interview.   Fetterman is unable to understand and communicate without the aid of extraordinary accommodations.  

Dr. Oz should win because Fetterman is too impaired to perform the duties of a Senator, and some voters have already come to that conclusion following the debate.  There's nothing uncivilized about pointing out the fact that John Fetterman can't understand other speakers or adequately communicate ideas.  It's not uncivilized to point out the man's health conditions.  I'd expect the Democrats to do the same, and they do attack Republicans for their health defects.  

[Hollywood]

What I can't shake here is the implication embedded in all of the posts from our "friends" on the other side, which is that if you've had a stroke that causes aphasia, you are either disqualified from public service because it's somehow an immutable characteristic or you should retire from public life and "focus on recovery" i.e. more or less retire to nursing home. If anything horrible has ever happened to you? It's time to basically give up on life because if you do that, it helps some scumbag snake oil peddler with a R behind their name get elected to Senate.

John Fetterman is 53 years old. His brain is almost certainly in better shape than the brain of Chuck Grassley and we can expect Fetterman will be alive for much longer than Grassley will be alive. Yet we're subjected to a torrent of abuse when Grassley is effectively running as a rotting corpse. It isn't insulting to mention this about Grassley because the curse of our mortality and fragility in old age is a fact of human life - he is doomed to die sooner rather than later.

The hypocrisy and lack of self-reflection here is stunning. It is possible to hope for your candidate to win without signaling that a father with children who seems to basically be a good guy is a reprobate and also a vegetable.

You know this how?

You people keep demonstrating why this frenzied defense of Fetterman is such a turnoff. You know it's a bad situation but you think if you just talk enough, regardless of whether you know what the hell you're talking about, it will just go away.

Undecided voters don't want to hear "don't worry, his brain is fine" from someone whose basis for saying that is nothing beyond wishful thinking. They don't to hear what-about-ing about Herschel Walker or Chuck Grassley.

Undecided voters want to know why you people insisted Fetterman was ready to debate and would be fine, and he wasn't. What happened? And why should anyone believe this is the last time the Fetterman campaign will offer reassurances that turn out to be empty?

He turned up to the debate and had problems communicating, which is perfectly consistent with stroke-induced aphasia. Another fact is that aphasia is a condition that may be overcome, albeit with a lot of effort, relatively swiftly - not over 4 months but over a few years. There is no "whataboutism" here. Fetterman performed miserably: he had a stroke and has aphasia. I don't think this is a problem because it's a temporary condition.

Fetterman has had a severe case of Asphasia for over 5 months, so it isn't temporary.  The greatest rate of recover occurs within the 1st days and month, and the rate of recovery drops after the 6th Months. A patient that doesn't start recovery will only solidify the symptoms.  High stress environments can worsen the condition by creating anxiety, depression, and agitation for the patient.  

It's also worth noting that Fetterman has a big hump on the back of his neck due to fat deposits or tumors.  This is indicative of multiple types of cancers.  People with humps, even when it regresses, have an increased risk of Atrial Fibrillation and stroke.  This is one of the clearest signs that Fetterman's health issues will only worsen in office.

So mocking disabled people wasn't enough? Now you are mocking people who lost 148 pounds?

Pointing out that Fetterman has a severe disability disqualifying him from office isn't the same as mocking him.   The fact that you'd play that card is shameful.  It's a totally inauthentic claim given you also think I mocked someone for losing weight? 

[Hollywood]

What I can't shake here is the implication embedded in all of the posts from our "friends" on the other side, which is that if you've had a stroke that causes aphasia, you are either disqualified from public service because it's somehow an immutable characteristic or you should retire from public life and "focus on recovery" i.e. more or less retire to nursing home. If anything horrible has ever happened to you? It's time to basically give up on life because if you do that, it helps some scumbag snake oil peddler with a R behind their name get elected to Senate.

John Fetterman is 53 years old. His brain is almost certainly in better shape than the brain of Chuck Grassley and we can expect Fetterman will be alive for much longer than Grassley will be alive. Yet we're subjected to a torrent of abuse when Grassley is effectively running as a rotting corpse. It isn't insulting to mention this about Grassley because the curse of our mortality and fragility in old age is a fact of human life - he is doomed to die sooner rather than later.

The hypocrisy and lack of self-reflection here is stunning. It is possible to hope for your candidate to win without signaling that a father with children who seems to basically be a good guy is a reprobate and also a vegetable.

You know this how?

You people keep demonstrating why this frenzied defense of Fetterman is such a turnoff. You know it's a bad situation but you think if you just talk enough, regardless of whether you know what the hell you're talking about, it will just go away.

Undecided voters don't want to hear "don't worry, his brain is fine" from someone whose basis for saying that is nothing beyond wishful thinking. They don't to hear what-about-ing about Herschel Walker or Chuck Grassley.

Undecided voters want to know why you people insisted Fetterman was ready to debate and would be fine, and he wasn't. What happened? And why should anyone believe this is the last time the Fetterman campaign will offer reassurances that turn out to be empty?

He turned up to the debate and had problems communicating, which is perfectly consistent with stroke-induced aphasia. Another fact is that aphasia is a condition that may be overcome, albeit with a lot of effort, relatively swiftly - not over 4 months but over a few years. There is no "whataboutism" here. Fetterman performed miserably: he had a stroke and has aphasia. I don't think this is a problem because it's a temporary condition.

Fetterman has had a severe case of Asphasia for over 5 months, so it isn't temporary.  The greatest rate of recover occurs within the 1st days and month, and the rate of recovery drops after the 6th Months. A patient that doesn't start recovery will only solidify the symptoms.  High stress environments can worsen the condition by creating anxiety, depression, and agitation for the patient.  

It's also worth noting that Fetterman has a big hump on the back of his neck due to fat deposits or tumors.  This is indicative of multiple types of cancers.  People with humps, even when it regresses, have an increased risk of Atrial Fibrillation and stroke.  This is one of the clearest signs that Fetterman's health issues will only worsen in office.

So mocking disabled people wasn't enough? Now you are mocking people who lost 148 pounds?

Pointing out that Fetterman has a severe disability disqualifying him from office isn't the same as mocking him.   The fact that you'd play that card is shameful.  It's a totally inauthentic claim given you also think I mocked someone for losing weight? 

There were posts that you did not see because they were deleted by moderators.

Also someone showed me a discord screen shot of someone making fun of my mild stutter.

Okay.  Even with the explanation, I'm still totally lost as to why Deadflagblues attributed another poster's comments to me. 

Someone showed you a discord shot of another member making fun of your stutter?  I'm sorry it happened, but how the F do they know you have a stutter?