🇦🇺 Australian Indigenous Voice to Parliament Referendum (October 14th)

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Peter Dutton's response:

"The referendum will be held on 14 October.

The result will be close. The Yes campaign are backed by big unions and corporations. We know they will spend many millions on advertising.

Despite what Mr Albanese says, this Voice proposal goes much further than simply recognising Indigenous Australians.

It covers all areas of “Executive Government”. Basically, no issue would be beyond its reach.

It risks legal challenges and delays. The High Court would ultimately decide its powers.

Some Voice supporters say this will be a first step to reparations and compensation and other radical changes.

Incredibly, Mr Albanese recently admitted he hasn’t read additional pages that, until recently, leading Voice proponents said were part of the Uluru Statement.

The Prime Minister isn’t good with details. And his government is refusing to provide details.

For example, we don’t know how members of the Voice would be chosen or how it would operate. Australians are being asked to vote before these details are worked out.

Enshrining the Voice into the Constitution would mean it’s permanent.

When we need to unite the country, this divides us."

Interesting that Peter Dutton of all people claims to be a uniter when he is more divisive than Pauline.

If anyone not great with details, it's him. He started a scare campaign because he believes people are too stupid to write a one syllable word in an attempt to undermine the system. The details have been available for some time now; if he's too lazy to read, then that's his problem.

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The Voice has won the backing from one of the worst people in Australian politics, Malcolm Turnbull: Why my government didn’t back the Voice, but I’m now voting yes.  This sniveling weasel makes it sound like it wasn't him who immediately dismissed the Voice and maligned it (very effectively, I might add) as a "Third Chamber", ending any discussion of implementing the Uluru Statement under his leadership.  No, under his retelling, he was an ineffective figurehead held hostage to a party base that he clearly despises.  A man with a perpetual need to be liked (and/or "on the right side of history"), he has never demonstrated throughout his long public life that he actually holds any principles whatsoever.

It's not a third chamber if parliament.  Anyone insisting it is is lacking in the brain department

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I still support Albanese and he's way better than Dutton, but this whole voice thing has left a bad taste in my mouth. Australia should have a colorblind government.

You mean courblind as long as the uppity blacks stay out of it. Gotcha

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And thus, it is revealed:

https://twitter.com/slsandpet/status/1698810235291640051

Poor baby's still upset Labor didn't give him a Senate seat.

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Senator Jacinta Price at the National Press Club today detailing the abuse, threats and vilification she has endured during this process.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-14/senator-jacinta-nampijinpa-price-at-press-club/102855698


Senator Jacinta Price (Facebook)

"[The Voice] is built on lies and an aggressive attempt to fracture our nation's founding document and divide the country built upon it," she said.

"That division has now seen the no campaign branded as being base racism."

She said Indigenous Australians already have a voice as she is one of 11 Indigenous voices — politicians — currently in parliament.

"I will not accept the lie, the rationalisation of many Indigenous voices of the Yes campaign, who suggest our democratically elected voices are redundant because we belong to political parties," she said.

The side she's on has just piled some pretty racist attacks on Professor Langton, as well as the general racism I've seen from a lot of No voters towards First Nations people, such as yourself, Meclazine.

In other news, Warren Mundine continues to prove to the world that he has zero principles other than self advancement:

https://twitter.com/mdavisqlder/status/1702212226642530725

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Terra Nullius was overturned by Mabo thirty years ago.

Was that a cause of the cultural shift, or an effect of it? My impression is that (as evidenced by the History Wars) the shift was already substantially underway by then.

An academic shift might've been underway, but this was the first significant decision that had actually gone the way of First Nations people.

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The degree to which many Australians, Canadians, and New Zealanders have been so rapidly convinced that their colonization of essentially unsettled lands and establishment of great outposts of civilization there was wrong baffles me.

Sad indeed.

Does this also include the hundreds and thousands of First Nations people who were massacred?

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9 September 2023



Polls show the NO vote has surpassed the YES vote. (ABC.net.au)


Fatima Faqiri and her Hazara friend doorknock in their neighbourhood in surburban Perth for the Yes campaign.(ABC News: Zathia Bazeer)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-16/everyday-australians-to-shape-indigenous-voice-referendum/102849430

"Ms Faqiri said she could empathise with Indigenous Australians due to her community's experience of being persecuted by the Taliban in Afghanistan."



Fatima said "misinformation was running rife".



Meanwhile, in South Australia, the Liberal leader, David Speirs, spoke about the chances of the referendum getting up in his home state.

He opposes the Voice, said he would "almost bet his house" on the referendum being rejected by voters in his home state.


The 'Walk for Yes' event is one of several major campaign rallies to have been held in Adelaide.(ABC News: Viki Ntafillis)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-16/sa-yes-campaign-referendum-march/102864664

"The writing is on the wall," Mr Speirs said.

"Public sentiment towards the Voice shows it will likely be defeated."

"People are sick of inner city elites intent on dividing our nation based on labels."

The No campaign said it would be in South Australia on Tuesday to "prosecute the reasons why the Voice to Parliament ... is built on a falsehood".

It will certainly reveal who we are: a country of unvarnished racists.

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Any hope left for the Yes side??

No. They've run the usual campaign that nice Australian liberals tend to in referendums, and seems likely to produce the usual result.

What caused the decline in support for the measure?? As a German I don´t know all that much about Australian politics to be honest.

Mainly a very well constructed fear campaign by the no side, active media campaigning for the no side, plus the fact that the average Australian doesn't really care about Indigenous people or actively hates them.

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Any hope left for the Yes side??

No + cope

Why do you take such joy in telling First Nations people "I don't care what happens to you"?

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What the hell happened with the No campaign in the last 72 hours?

First Warren Mundine goes on Insiders to say that a No vote gets them closer to a treaty-which the No side vehemently is against-then within 24 hours, he's on the news again saying that he's against a treaty, then news comes out that the Liberals might deny him his treasured Senate seat.

So we've got one person on the No side saying that a No vote will bring us closer to a treaty who contradicted himself within 24 hours, another one claiming that he will hold another referendum on First Nations Australians after already poisoning the pot, and a third one who's contradicted both of them while claiming that there were no negative effects of colonisation on First Nations Australians.

And meanwhile, the No side's slogan "Don't know, vote no" is a typical right-wing appeal to ignorance.

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YES campaigners protesting abusively against NO campaigners.

YES Campaigners

https://fb.watch/nbpH5SeTE1/

No "NO" protests in the opposite direction. NO voters are more than happy for YES voters to exercise their democratic right.

Judging by the desperation of the ABC news stories, it looks like we have a failing YES campaign deteriorating into abusive rhetoric.

Will be interesting to see these polls after this makes the News.

Australians hate politics in general, and especially the divisive American style garbage where you have to be full of hatred based on your own imagination.

The only one importing American-style politics is the No side.

I get you hate black people, Meclazine, but surely you're smarter than this.

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Aboriginal woman Senator Jacinta Price says the "NO" campaign has a simple message.

If you don't know, vote "NO".

If I was advising her, I would have gone with either:

Say "NO" to Yes; or
Say Yes to "NO".

Jacinta Price

The Voice Is Not The Answer

https://youtu.be/n_9Gt6d8xpE

"We are up against tens of millions in advertising for the Yes campaign, which is backed by big unions and corporations.

The Coalition wants to get this advertisement on television, but needs your support."

Permanently locked in the constitution is a big selling point for the "NO" campaign. No one knows what the VOICE is yet apart from a singing talent show on Sunday nights on TV, yet somehow Australians are being asked to lock it into the constitution.

Labor should have just legislated the "Voice". If it was effective and everyone was happy with it, the Liberals would not have removed it afterwards.

Alright, I highly doubt you'll listen, but i-m doing this anyway.

"Don't know vote no" is perhaps the entire conservative right on a nutshell: vehemently anti-educstion. They don't want people finding out what it actually is, because the second they do the scare campaign falls to pieces.

And if you're so stupid that you don't know what is by now, you're just lazy or don't want your bubble burst.

What stupidity is this? "The Liberals wouldn't have removed it."

If you believe that, then my God, you are either extremely naive or extremely stupid.

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Meclazine, hyperventilating: YES VOTERS ARE THE HATEFUL AND RACIST ONES LOOK LOOK LOOK!

Reality:

https://twitter.com/chrismurphys/status/1705151221873717568

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Bruce and his mob say "Vote No!".

Bruce Shillingworth

https://fb.watch/ne0zru8WOP/

Bruce is not happy, and has gathered a number of Aboriginal groups from NSW and formed his own "Vote No!" Group.

It's a bit of a smack in the face for the "YES" campaign when Aboriginal groups join the "NO" campaign.

83% of Indigenous people support the Voice: https://www.unsw.edu.au/news/2023/06/ten-questions-about-the-voice-to-parliament---answered-by-the-ex

And that's from the University of New South Wales, not The Guardian.

Here's some more concerned people that are voting no, by the way:

https://twitter.com/tom_cowie/status/1705451400006885391

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83% of Indigenous people support the Voice: https://www.unsw.edu.au/news/2023/06/ten-questions-about-the-voice-to-parliament---answered-by-the-ex

And that's from the University of New South Wales, not The Guardian.

Those polls are months out of date. It’s not hard to believe that indigenous support is a lot lower now given it is a lot lower among the population as a whole. And I’m not sure that the university article you quote is much more independent than something from The Guardian, given the article is entirely about countering No arguments.

yes, I keep forgetting that the right despises education. Explains the whole No campaign in a nutshell.

"NO" campaigners come out across Australian capital cities.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-23/voice-to-parliament-no-rallies-held-in-major-australian-cities/102889222

NT Aboriginal gover their view on the Voice:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-23/views-of-voice-to-parliament-in-indigenous-remote-nt-communities/102811922

Yeah, and they had some interesting guests, as I pointed out above. And here's another:

https://twitter.com/tassiekaz/status/1705520255794368703

Simply put, if there's Nazis at your rally, you're not the good guys.

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Another No campaigner giving his well-thought out opinion. Be ware that this video does have swearing in it.

https://twitter.com/crazyjane13/status/1705531057985277956

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Election launches and reboots seem to be unable to change the trajectory here.  The 'Yes' campaign largely boils down to celebrity/corporate endorsements and accusations of ignorance and/or racism.  It's vacuous and lazy.  That just isn't going to change.  As we get closer to the date, we'll see much more desperation like poll denial and rally size comparisons and hoards of secret voters that pollsters just aren't able or willing to find.

The strongest component of the 'Yes' campaign is probably Noel Pearson, who has read the room over the past couple of months and is performing exceptionally well as a persuasive advocate.  The worst component is almost impossible to narrow down: is it Albanese?  Linda Burney?  Marcia Langton?  The Labor party more generally?  Arrogant pro-Voice journalists who don't seem to realise it's not their job to push their views on their audience?  Qantas?  Too many options.

The media refused to cover the Yes rallies, while seemingly covering the No rallies while ignoring the Nazis that were there.

You tell me where that bias is.

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And meanwhile, the No side's slogan "Don't know, vote no" is a typical right-wing appeal to ignorance.

I'm not Australian, of course, but it seems to me that it's intended to point out the extreme vagueness of the referendum question.

The only people still confused about it likely are too lazy to actually read it and simply swallow whatever bile Credlin decides to spew up. We're literally selling copies of it in the bookstore I work for less than $3. Sorry, but if you're too lazy to find out-and simply decide to tune out whenever someone tries to tell you what it is-then you're stuck in a bubble.

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And meanwhile, the No side's slogan "Don't know, vote no" is a typical right-wing appeal to ignorance.

I'm not Australian, of course, but it seems to me that it's intended to point out the extreme vagueness of the referendum question.

The only people still confused about it likely are too lazy to actually read it and simply swallow whatever bile Credlin decides to spew up. We're literally selling copies of it in the bookstore I work for less than $3. Sorry, but if you're too lazy to find out-and simply decide to tune out whenever someone tries to tell you what it is-then you're stuck in a bubble.

Copies of what?

The Uluru Statement from the Heart.

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And meanwhile, the No side's slogan "Don't know, vote no" is a typical right-wing appeal to ignorance.

I'm not Australian, of course, but it seems to me that it's intended to point out the extreme vagueness of the referendum question.

The only people still confused about it likely are too lazy to actually read it and simply swallow whatever bile Credlin decides to spew up. We're literally selling copies of it in the bookstore I work for less than $3. Sorry, but if you're too lazy to find out-and simply decide to tune out whenever someone tries to tell you what it is-then you're stuck in a bubble.

Copies of what?

The Uluru Statement from the Heart.

Neither the referendum question nor the actual amendment to be voted on mention the Uluru Statement from the Heart, so I'm not sure why that would be relevant here.

The Voice was born out of the Uluru Statement.

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And meanwhile, the No side's slogan "Don't know, vote no" is a typical right-wing appeal to ignorance.

I'm not Australian, of course, but it seems to me that it's intended to point out the extreme vagueness of the referendum question.

The only people still confused about it likely are too lazy to actually read it and simply swallow whatever bile Credlin decides to spew up. We're literally selling copies of it in the bookstore I work for less than $3. Sorry, but if you're too lazy to find out-and simply decide to tune out whenever someone tries to tell you what it is-then you're stuck in a bubble.

Copies of what?

The Uluru Statement from the Heart.

Neither the referendum question nor the actual amendment to be voted on mention the Uluru Statement from the Heart, so I'm not sure why that would be relevant here.

The Voice was born out of the Uluru Statement.

That doesn't at all address what I said. One can understand why the political strategy here was to leave details deliberately vague, since it was the details that killed the republic referendum, but it is just a political strategy. Claiming that any questioning of that strategy constitutes an illegitimate "appeal to ignorance" and that this is what the racists want you to do is...actually pretty instructive as to why the campaign has gone the way it has.

The details are not vague; that's a lie the media's been pushing because they want people to stay lazy. It's literally written out that the Voice will be an advisory body for Indigenous affairs and will have no policymaking power.

It is an appeal to ignorance, and if you think it's not, then you're not much better than Meclazine is, quite frankly.

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The use of the word 'racism' has enter the vocabulary of the lefty ABC journalists.

They just love saying it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-28/voice-to-parliament-yes-no-result/102907302

The whole idea of the VOICE now appears to be a $450M waste of tax payer funds.

But ...'racism'.

That is all we got for $450M.

Hey, idiot, the ABC is not 'lefty' despite what you think. Quite the opposite actually. Then again, you're also someone who believes that Dutton would not repeal it if it were introduced by legislation, so congrats! You're the exact sort of idiot NewsCorp loves.

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Pundits from both sides of the Voice debate campaigned in Canberra this weekend.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-30/canberra-voice-no-campaigners-rally-ahead-of-election/102920672


Black People's Union (BPU) vice president Leah House describes her position as a progressive No.(ABC News: Jade Toomey)

NO campaigners were pushing back against the "fun feeling of unity".

"Grassroots organisation Black People's Union (BPU) identifies as a "progressive No" movement that opposes the premise of the referendum to enshrine a First Nations voice in the Constitution.

"I don't believe that 97 per cent of the population that's non-Indigenous should be deciding what 3 per cent of the population's political role, as a sovereign people, should be and what our relationship should be with our oppressors," BPU Vice President Leah House said.

The Ngambri woman, 30, said "it would be "ignorant" for people to assume the referendum would solve systemic Indigenous disadvantage."

Canberra residents have no vote in the second half of the referendum as they don't live in a State of Australia, but rather a Territory.

Territory voters should have a say in every part of the referendum. As it is, their Senators are limited to three years only, which is just dumb.

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To be clear, segregation was an issue, but not nearly the only one. I mean, we literally took chidren from their mothers to "Breed them white."