Australia General Discussion 4.0: It ain’t easy under Albanese

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So Mark Latham has made some disgusting comments regarding Alex greenwich, the Independent gay MP for Sydney.

I won't repeat them here because they are beyond disgusting. Go on Twitter and have a look at them if you so desire.

Latham made the comments on Twitter on Thursday morning in response to an article in which Greenwich called Latham “a disgusting human being”. The article was about LGBTQ+ protesters being targeted outside an event Latham spoke at earlier this month.

Only Mark Latham could respond to an article that calls him disgusting in a way that makes Pauline Hanson call him disgusting.

Latham's response to that situation actually proved Greenwich's point, I'd say.

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Under a universal 6% swing the coalition would go down to 34 seats, down 24. At that point there would be almost as many Nats as there are Libs lol.

More directly alarming, the Liberals have 3 seats left in Greater Melbourne. All right next to Aston, all on margins under 2%. Carbon copy demographics, voter bases, state results and historical results. And the Liberals have a leader who is toxic in Melbourne and (per leaked internal polling) was the major drag on their vote in this by-election.

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The Liberal Party is in full disintegration mode at this point. Dutton can barely keep his party together, the only Liberal Premier left is going to be campaigning for the Voice, and they've lost a by-election that they should have won.

Right now, Voldemort's only saving grace is that there is literally no one competent enough to replace him. That alone is a stinging indictment of what was once considered the natural party of governance in Australia.

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More proof of the Liberal meltdown: Julian Leeser, the Shadow Attorney-General, has quit the frontbench.

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More proof of the Liberal meltdown: Julian Leeser, the Shadow Attorney-General, has quit the frontbench.

Shadow Attorney-General *and Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians. And if Dutton replaces him with Jacinta Price…..

Wait, it got worse:

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/1645648497528680450

And the Yes campaign is about to get an even more effective campaigner:

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/1645558745211207680

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Excuse my ignorance, but what is this "Voice" referendum actually about?

Stop trying to be funny. It's not working and makes you look pathetic.

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Excuse my ignorance, but what is this "Voice" referendum actually about?

Ho ho very satirical.

No one knows here either including first nations people, many of whom are going to vote No.

It's just a campaign by a minority of white people wanting to feel good about themselves for the sake of 'reconciliation'..

None of these people will work in outback WA towns and help Aboriginal people.

As Premier Mark McGowan noted earlier this year in relation to lawlessness in Carnarvon:

"Clearly what has been done here, essentially nothing, has not worked."

Are you just being deliberately brainless? It has been defined from day one as a body that will advise parliament on matters related to First Nations Australians.

And also, a minority of white people? This solution was literally created by a summit of First Nations elders.

My advice: Stop talking right now because you're clearly either not paying attention, or just racist, and I'm not sure which one is worse at this point.

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I will say, hearing Warren Mundine whine about how the Voice was created by 'elites' is pretty ironic.

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Senator Jacinta Price announces the "No To the Voice" campaign.

https://fb.watch/ka3i-5QPLl/

A lot of first nations people are not feeling Albanese's vibe.

You are a liar.

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/indigenous-support-for-voice-at-80pc-despite-protests-by-noisy-few-20230127-p5cfwj

Jacinta Price is just a grifter, same as Mundine. She wants to run for the HoR in 2025 and sucking up to Dutton is the best chance she has of getting preselected, while Mundine is afraid his gravy train will be cut off.

I reiterate, Meclazine, you are a liar.

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Some Aboriginal pundits are using this period of discussion to raise other issues about first nations people.

For example, "Welcome to Country" is a white fella thing introduced to make the white fella's feel more connected with Aboriginal people. But some Aboriginal people don't want it and find it to be a token.

Aboriginal Voice in Perth

https://www.facebook.com/BuddyShillo/videos/1159617111310658

Most just want their own country. Bruce might be right. Although not as eloquent as Barack Obama, I must admit his point is certainly loud and clear.

Lore Enforcement Officer

https://www.facebook.com/BuddyShillo/videos/529812609127547

I think this guy is trying to set up his own Police Force for Aboriginal Lore.

Meclazine, just be honest and say that you don't like black people.

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State politics news:

In Victoria far-right MLC Moira Deeming has been officially expelled after stupidly threatening to sue the leader and party, thus uniting nearly everyone against her. Party Secretary Renee Heath has also been sacked and demoted to the backbenches for her part in stoking this conflict.

In Tasmania, two Liberal MPs have left the party to the crossbench, depriving the government of majority. They’ve claimed it’s over concerns of lack of consultation for the new AFL stadium, along with opposition to the voice and a power interconnection with Victoria. It’s important to note that both MPs are from the conservative faction, staunch supporters of Ferguson in the leadership battle. So there’s gossip this is a play at forcing a leadership spill.

I can hear the champagne corks popping in the ALP party room.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-20/victorian-liberal-leader-john-pesutto-moira-deeming-supporters/102372424

Moira fans "We are not amused".

I thought she was treated rather poorly in the scheme of a democratic party system. As such, she is now suing the Liberal leader for defamation. That case will be interesting.

Victoria has become the new 'woke' state of Australia.

Moira Deeming is a grifter, much like Antic is. They are much like MTG actually; far-right anti-democratic ideologues who fundamentally despise anyone not white and straight.

Much like yourself.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-22/i-am-sorry-stan-grant-makes-appearance-on-q-a/102379012

I accept Stan's apology for making us read, watch and listen to his perpetual drivel over the last years.

Stan Grant Resignation

https://youtu.be/Kol4WZKM7u4

As the guy said "Sorry Stan, but not everything is about you."

Everything Stan Grant does has an intense self-focus on Stan Grant.

Why do you hate First Nations Australians so much?

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As surprise “I’m just tired, and need to retire” resignations go - does it seem genuine, or is it possible there’s an underlying scandal here?

Essentially - is this a Jacinda Ardern, or a Nicola Sturgeon moment?

I’m not sure, but I think it was notable he did say he didn’t want to fight the next election so he wanted to leave adequate time for his successor to have their own record to run on that. Also I don’t think this was mentioned yet, but he is resigning from Parliament too, before the week is over.

Rowan Dean was saying yesterday that Labor would struggle to hold Rockingham without him.

In case you wanted more confirmation of Sky being a joke.

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Down in Victoria backbench conservative stalwart Ryan Smith has resigned. This triggers a by-election in the blue ribbon outer suburban seat of Warrandyte, held on a margin of 4.2%. This’ll be a major challenge for Pesutto’s leadership, already weakened by the Moira Deeming mess. A loss to Labor may trigger an immediate spill.

There has already been speculation Tim Smith may try for the seat.

Can someone tell my why the Victorian Liberals can't stop digging themselves deeper? Are they so drunk on Sky News that they think doubling down on their current weirdness works?

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Dan had an amazing career, he looks like someone who has delivered on his promises and it's impressive just how much support he maintained through Covid. Despite bad luck in the pandemic, his leadership does seem like it should be looked up to and respected.

Most Victorians seem to think he did alright during the pandemic, giving his pretty high numbers then. What I'll always remember his how he has now singlehandedly made half the staff at NewsCorp Australia redundant.

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What are the predictions now on Albanese for the polls in the next Federal elections?

He has clearly ignored the advice to just put the referendum to only involve the 'recognition of Aboriginals as first nations people' in the Constitution.

Albanese says he "had a duty" like some weird religious motive.

The guy is living in la-la land.

Albanese ended his speech with a Churchill quote, and then fled like an Italian Cruise Ship Captain.

He announced in his victory speech last year that he was fully committed to the Uluru Statement. If he refused to act on it, then he would be held accountable. And you view Howard and Morrison as our two best Prime Ministers despite the endless ways they were awful, so it must be nice for you to have some company in La La Land

To address your point, one of the most fascinating parts of this whole thing is Labor has been holding a small but steady lead in 2PP. The referendum went down, yes, but their 2PP lead has remained fairly static, hovering at around 8% in  Newspoll for a while.

They are down in primary votes, but I think we are now entering the era where primary votes don't matter anymore. Support for the Greens and other minor parties has hovered so steadily at 12-15% that I think it is a real possibility Labor will win the next election while finishing behind the Liberals on primaries.

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The pointlessly fumbled yes campaign does not make me feel confident that Labor knows how to appeal to everyday voters under their current leadership. If the Coalition and others can find an even illusionary cogent appeal to the public, they could easily win against this kind of incompetence. They saw the right weaknesses and took advantage of them. I really feel awful for first peoples right now. They are suffering a new undeniable public rejection. This government has somehow achieved precisely the opposite of its own short term policy goal with this referendum.

It had nothing to do with Aboriginals.

It appealed to inner city elites in $4M real estate suburbs where no Aboriginals live. This was how those people imagined Aboriginal people to be (to alleviate their wealth guilt).

As defined by regional Australians, it was "a crock of sh$t" and now it was nothing more than pure woke fantasy.

30% of Aboriginal voted against it.

One can fix the indigeous issues (child sexual abuse, alcoholism, rampant corruption) using normal political process.....it's called hard work.

Again, for the billionth time, since you seem incapable of reading anyone else's comments: the Voice to Parliament was literally an idea from Indigenous Australians. At this point, I'm convinced that you're either racist or stupid.

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I suspect it's off the table for the foreseeable future, unfortunately.

The pointlessly fumbled yes campaign does not make me feel confident that Labor knows how to appeal to everyday voters under their current leadership. If the Coalition and others can find an even illusionary cogent appeal to the public, they could easily win against this kind of incompetence. They saw the right weaknesses and took advantage of them. I really feel awful for first peoples right now. They are suffering a new undeniable public rejection. This government has somehow achieved precisely the opposite of its own short term policy goal with this referendum.

It had nothing to do with Aboriginals.

It appealed to inner city elites in $4M real estate suburbs where no Aboriginals live. This was how those people imagined Aboriginal people to be (to alleviate their wealth guilt).

As defined by regional Australians, it was "a crock of sh$t" and now it was nothing more than pure woke fantasy.

30% of Aboriginal voted against it.

One can fix the indigeous issues (child sexual abuse, alcoholism, rampant corruption) using normal political process.....it's called hard work.

This reads like someone with a grudge trying to shoehorn as much loathing as possible into a post. It is your own (sad, bitter) opinion disguised as analysis. It is also poor analysis. You use numbers that directly contradict your own point, and make vague references to the opinions of no one in particular. You finish it off by using horrible crimes as a way to colour an entire disadvantaged group of people, then say they are lazy. It left a trail on my screen as I scrolled down, the distinct kind of slick mucous left by the needling little worms usually found eating through the brains of the most pitiable Americans.

It's possible though that if you contact your GP you may be eligible to receive your 10. Best of luck!

No.

It's a fairly well-shared opinion amongst most Australians.....evidenced by Saturday's result.

Some electorates near Perth voted 70-75% NO.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/voice-to-parliament/andrew-bolt-calls-for-anthony-albanese-to-step-down-as-pm-after-voice-failure/video/ff6683195b2d9b53af4aedb76d41d520

A fellow West Australian told me he thought it was a "crock of sh#t". It was hard to find YES voters on Saturday, that's for sure.

The result speaks for itself.

And the racism gets deeper. I don't care what some random Western Australian says (and I'm 95% sure it never happened, given your track record of ignoring facts). The Voice to parliament sprung out of the Uluru Statement from the Heart, with a platform to elect 24 people from the Indigenous population by a vote among the Indigenous population to advise the parliament on Indigenous affairs, and was not a plan by "inner city woke lefties", but was actually formed by Indigenous people.

For Christ's sake, mate, the Uluru Statement was literally written and endorsed by the First Nations National Constitutional Convention in 2017. Evidently, your arguments don't hold much water for them either, considering the overwhelming majority of the Indigenous population-including the vast majority of those living in remote areas- voted in favour of it.

I know that I don't have the best record of following facts myself, but bloody hell mate, you are slipping into a new world of delusional.

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Andrew Bolt identifies the members of Parliament who voted against the Australian Government saying "we stand with Israel" and "Israel has a right to defend itself".

Andrew Bolt

https://youtu.be/bSCbJN_TYbM

Greens and Teals.

This is what I meant earlier.

Sky News has been on the verge of encouraging direct violence against people for a while now. 2020 and 2022 collectively snapped something inside Sky News. Honestly, I'm surprised he didn't post their home addresses and where their kids go to school as well, because that seems an awful lot like something they would do.

Someone is going to get hurt in 2025. Someone may even be killed.

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Someone is going to get hurt in 2025. Someone may even be killed.

Most likely by the people who went to the Sydney Opera House and chanted “gas the Jews”.

And that goes to show how little you know of Australia

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Someone is going to get hurt in 2025. Someone may even be killed.

Most likely by the people who went to the Sydney Opera House and chanted “gas the Jews”.

And that goes to show how little you know of Australia

Indeed. Australia is a country where the most right wing Prime Minister it has ever had was able to address a crowd of gun nuts and tell them what a load of idiots they were and then subsequently pass legalisation that severely cracked down on guns. It is not the United States.

Tony Abbott says hi

Tony Abbott, the second greatest Prime Minister our country has had after John Howard.

John Howard was a gifted Australian and his pedigree was clear at age 16.

Give It A Go Radio Show (1955)

https://omny.fm/shows/simon-owens-radio-archive/john-howard-with-jack-davey-on-give-it-a-go-in-195

Howard gave up billions in revenue during the mining boom for tax cuts so he could get votes. Abbott was just about one of the worst Prime Ministers ever with his clear wish for us to be a colony again

They sucked to everyone not on the right wing, which says a lot about you.

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Premier of Queensland resigns.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-10/annastacia-palaszczuk-resigning-as-queensland-premier/103211112

Annastacia Palaszczuk oversaw a boom in the Queensland economy and also an explosion in juvenile crime and the like.

Let's be honest here, as it's an Australia-wide problem. The explosion in juveline crime should be put at the feet of the government who was in power for most of her time, the federal Coalition.

Meclazine has described Tony Abbott and Barnaby Joyce as our greatest and most respected political minds. He doesn't want to hear anything about the Coalition doing bad things.

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So the government plans to ban engineered stone in Australia after rising cases of silicosis among trade workers.

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Well, the Telegraph is being the Telegraph again and accusing Albo of 'waging a shadow war to get rid of Australia Day'.