Update XV: Stuck Inside of Tulsa with the Oklahoma City Blues Again

[Joe Biden 2020]

I'm seeing up for kind of a busy weekend.   I'm going to take Allison to Alva where I went to college on Friday,  then eating supper and watching fireworks with her that evening,  then going to my parents late Friday night and staying there until Sunday afternoon.   I am in no position to propose to Allison this weekend so don't get any ideas. 

[Joe Biden 2020]

I had 4 interviews over the past two days.  I'm especially excited about today's interview.   It was a CAD job and it was for people right out of school.   I had the interview early this afternoon and though it went very well.  I rattled off all the software I used in school and I exhibited a lot of confidence about my skills and abilities.   They seemed to be impressed with what I told them.  They stayed in the interview room right after I left and presumably talked about the interview.   They said I should hear something by Monday or Tuesday.  They are hiring 4 people.   One of the things I told them is that if they give me an offer on Monday,  I could start that evening or Tuesday.  They seemed to like that statement.   It is primarily an 8-5 M-F job with occasional overtime as projects warrant.   It is a 3 month contract-to-hire.   All in all,  I feel very good about this one.

[Joe Biden 2020]

I was wondering that too. What does Allison do?

She works at a college.

[Joe Biden 2020]

I was wondering that too. What does Allison do?

She works at a college.

That's very broad. What does she do there?

Administrative Support.  I don't want to go any further than that because of Mondale-gate.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Will Update continue after Bushie is married?

Highly doubtful, it will probably end as we get closer to the actual wedding.

[Joe Biden 2020]

So, I went to investigate a job this morning that I had no appointment for, it was just a walk-in type deal. I walked in about 9:45 and walked out at 10:45 with a job!!!!! It is with a local company here in East Tulsa. It is a call center renewing contracts for AT&T clients. The pay starts out a little low, but it will be much better than $0.00/hr. It starts next Wednesday, July 9, 2014 - 9-6 M-F. Training will be 3 weeks, then my regular schedule will be 10-7 M-F. This place is only 3 miles from me. Now, this leaves the door open for the drafting company to call me Monday or Tuesday. If they call me with an offer, of course, I will take that job, but if they say no or don't call me in time, then I have a job. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[Joe Biden 2020]

have you received your cadd certificate yet?

Not yet, I haven't gotten a response from my e-mail, yet, so I am going to call them Monday after the holiday is over.

[Joe Biden 2020]

The only thing that can stop this call center job is if the drafting job I interviewed for yesterday calls me Monday or Tuesday.  If they call me with an offer then you'd better believe I'm taking that job and canceling my reservation in the call center training class.  I felt very good about the interview, so it's entirely possible.

Grumps, my instructor did tell me I finished, I just have not received the certificate, yet.

[Joe Biden 2020]

have you received your cadd certificate yet?

Not yet, I haven't gotten a response from my e-mail, yet, so I am going to call them Monday after the holiday is over.

Effing admit you didn't finish the program.  Tell the truth for once

Some of us know the truth Jeffie.. just come out before someone outs you

I know the truth, too, and I'm telling the truth.

[Joe Biden 2020]

A little change of plans.  There will be no proposal until probably August, maybe September.  It will happen, but I need to focus on staying with my job for a little while and establish myself before I start an engagement.  It will happen and we just had a great talk tonight, but it just won't happen until July.  We didn't talk about it at all, but after talking with my parents, I want to be able to show her not only do I have a job, but that I can keep the job.  So, don't break out the champagne just yet, but trust me, it will happen.  I want to be the good husband that will take care of her financially, and I need to start proving that with this new job starting Wednesday, July 9, 2014.  Right now, I'm thinking sometime in the latter half of August.  That will still give us 9 1/2 months until the wedding day, so we've got plenty of time.  Don't read into this any more than what I have posted.  Things are still going very good between us and getting better all the time, I am just trying to be the most responsible that I can.  I am talking about another human being's future here.

[Joe Biden 2020]

On the issue of the ring, I sold the first ring (fiancée's 1 and 2), but Mom is still holding the second ring in safe keeping.  Based on current finances and previous conversation, Allison may only get a Walmart ring instead of Gordon's Jewelers where the first two rings are bought.  I just can't bear to let Mom pay for a thousand dollar ring when I can go to Walmart and get a pretty ring for likely less than $200.

Both sets of parents have met each other one time last November on Allison's birthday when her and her parents picked me up to see Hunger Games: Catching Fire and eat dinner.  Both sets of parents came away impressed.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Why is your mom not selling the second ring?

I don't know why she's not selling it, but it's not really any of my concern.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Yeah why not give her the ring if you aren't going to sell it? Why keep it? How on earth can you get a wedding ring for $1000, and especially $200?? I thought they were $8k-$9k minimum!

Oh, heavens no, an engagement/wedding ring combo can be obtained for anywhere between $100 and $2000.  Certainly, they can range all the way up to the levels you mentioned and higher, but you don't have to spend near that much to get a very elegant, very pretty ring that captures the heart of your girl.  The two rings that I bought were a combined $2,000 and that includes one groom ring.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Yeah why not give her the ring if you aren't going to sell it? Why keep it? How on earth can you get a wedding ring for $1000, and especially $200?? I thought they were $8k-$9k minimum!

that is nonsense.  even if one has the means (bushie does not) to spend 8-9k on a ring, to do so is ridiculous.

Exactly, I prefer to invest more in the marriage than in anything involved with the wedding itself including rings.  Of course, I want a nice, comfortable ceremony that magnifies the beauty of my bride, but I prefer to invest more in the life after that 30-minute ceremony.  The Wedding Ceremony and Reception combined lasts maybe 3 hours.  A marriage lasts a lifetime.  It only makes sense that the marriage deserves more investment than the wedding.

[Joe Biden 2020]

3 hours total for a wedding and reception?? In what world? The reception should last 4-5 hours at least.

Anyway, I guess you're right. I remember the last girl I was serious with looked at a ring that was $10,000 and I thought that was reasonable. I think my grandmother's old ring was appraised for $11,000 after she died. We've kept that in the family.

And I'm not sure if Bushie has a cause of action against his mother. I'll get back to you on that.

Why would I bite the hand that fed me as a youngster?

[Joe Biden 2020]

but let's talk about cadd...

It's quite obvious he didn't receive the certificate. He's stalling until he can cook up a 'plausible' excuse as to why he won't be getting it. The lingering question is why: did he flunk on score, attendance, or messed up some paperwork?

I haven't gotten the certificate, yet, but from what my instructor told me the day I left the classroom and what he has continued to say, I did finish the course.  But, he also told me (a point that this forum has foolishly dismissed) is that I didn't have to complete it entirely in order for the class to be effective.  The course is not designed to give a certificate, per se, it is designed to give one the skills necessary to get and maintain a job.  The certificate is just a piece of paper.  I did complete the course, but more importantly, I gained the skills necessary to get a job.  I am very close to landing a CAD job, I believe, just have to wait and see what the results of the very good interview say.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Guys, what part of "I have completed the course" do you refuse to understand???

Memphis, I may very well get a CAD job early next week.  There is no more need to keep hounding me on a moot point.  I know you won't give me  the benefit of the doubt and think all I can do is piddly jobs, but you are wrong.

[Joe Biden 2020]

let's talk about the non-existent cadd certificate...

What's the point of asking him about this? I don't think there's any doubt what happened, and there's no benefit to needling him on it.

Do you buy this?  (yes or no is fine.    )

I haven't gotten the certificate, yet, but from what my instructor told me the day I left the classroom and what he has continued to say, I did finish the course.  But, he also told me (a point that this forum has foolishly dismissed) is that I didn't have to complete it entirely in order for the class to be effective.  The course is not designed to give a certificate, per se, it is designed to give one the skills necessary to get and maintain a job.  The certificate is just a piece of paper.  I did complete the course, but more importantly, I gained the skills necessary to get a job.  I am very close to landing a CAD job, I believe, just have to wait and see what the results of the very good interview say.

It doesn't matter if he buys it or not.  Whether he buys it or not does not change reality.

[Joe Biden 2020]

I think it's plausible that Bushie just hasn't received his diploma yet. I haven't received my law degree, but I have received letters and emails confirming I graduated and my certificate of graduation has been sent to the SC supreme court.

Why I might doubt Bushie here is that 1) he claims that he is going to make a career out of a call center and 2) he refuses to call the school, and the 'email' he sent a week ago hasn't been responded to. Typically, that doesn't happen. People normally respond to emails within a reasonable time, so I am assuming that he never emailed.

I think the most accurate answer is that Bushie honestly doesn't know if he finished the course and is afraid to ask because he fears he did not. Otherwise, it's pretty damn easy for him to pick up the phone and call to confirm whether he completed the course or not.

Do you refuse to believe me when I say I finished the course, plain and simple?  There is no reason to doubt me.

[Joe Biden 2020]

I think it's plausible that Bushie just hasn't received his diploma yet. I haven't received my law degree, but I have received letters and emails confirming I graduated and my certificate of graduation has been sent to the SC supreme court.

Why I might doubt Bushie here is that 1) he claims that he is going to make a career out of a call center and 2) he refuses to call the school, and the 'email' he sent a week ago hasn't been responded to. Typically, that doesn't happen. People normally respond to emails within a reasonable time, so I am assuming that he never emailed.

I think the most accurate answer is that Bushie honestly doesn't know if he finished the course and is afraid to ask because he fears he did not. Otherwise, it's pretty damn easy for him to pick up the phone and call to confirm whether he completed the course or not.

Do you refuse to believe me when I say I finished the course, plain and simple?  There is no reason to doubt me.

Oh Bushie! You have a history of deceit. I know past crimes can't always be used to show conformity with that character trait, but you've lied to us before or simply used ignorance as a defense. I'm not saying you're lying now. I think you truly don't know if you graduated given you haven't received any confirmation and refuse to call to find out.

On the contrary, what is fact is that I know I have graduated and like you mentioned in that same post I just have not received the actual piece of paper, yet.  I am waiting until after the 4th of July vacations are over to call the school.  So, I'll call Monday.

[Joe Biden 2020]

There's nothing wrong with working at Wal-Mart. Another poster works there and seems to like it ok. There is something wrong with moving from call center job to call center job, getting fired over and over again, and never getting a consistent source of income. You need to know yourself well enough to know what sort of employment plays to your strengths. Not everybody can do everything.

There is nothing wrong with working call centers, either.  I know how to do call centers and there's no reason I can't make a living and career out of one.  That's not my goal, but if I'm forced to, then so be it.  I'm still holding out hope this CAD job will call me back Monday or Tuesday and offer me a job.  I have no reason to doubt it at this point.  You should just be happy I have a job to fall back on just in case the CAD job does not pan out.

[Joe Biden 2020]

I think it's plausible that Bushie just hasn't received his diploma yet. I haven't received my law degree, but I have received letters and emails confirming I graduated and my certificate of graduation has been sent to the SC supreme court.

Why I might doubt Bushie here is that 1) he claims that he is going to make a career out of a call center and 2) he refuses to call the school, and the 'email' he sent a week ago hasn't been responded to. Typically, that doesn't happen. People normally respond to emails within a reasonable time, so I am assuming that he never emailed.

I think the most accurate answer is that Bushie honestly doesn't know if he finished the course and is afraid to ask because he fears he did not. Otherwise, it's pretty damn easy for him to pick up the phone and call to confirm whether he completed the course or not.

Do you refuse to believe me when I say I finished the course, plain and simple?  There is no reason to doubt me.

Oh Bushie! You have a history of deceit. I know past crimes can't always be used to show conformity with that character trait, but you've lied to us before or simply used ignorance as a defense. I'm not saying you're lying now. I think you truly don't know if you graduated given you haven't received any confirmation and refuse to call to find out.

On the contrary, what is fact is that I know I have graduated and like you mentioned in that same post I just have not received the actual piece of paper, yet.  I am waiting until after the 4th of July vacations are over to call the school.  So, I'll call Monday.

Right, that very well could be it, but like I said, the lack of confirmation you've received and your hesitance to call, which you could have done and settled this weeks ago, are just red flags to me.

Regardless of what your professor said when you last walked out of the classroom, you won't know if you completed the course until you finish all the work. For example, I didn't know I graduated law school until I passed all my exams. Even if my prof said congrats, you're done, on the last day, it wouldn't mean a thing until I got my grades.

I did get my grades a week or so ago.  Remember the post I made about finishing between 78-80% in each of the individual courses?  Those were the final grades of the course.  Since 60% is passing, I have nothing to worry about it.  It is just a matter of time until I receive the actual certificate.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Do you refuse to believe me when I say I finished the course, plain and simple?

In some sense of the word "finished" which means you ended your involvement in the course, sure.

In the sense of "completed successfully and will be recognized as a graduate," which you'd like people to infer from your statement, that would be hard to square with everything else you've shared.

You all just won't believe anything I tell you, so why do I even bother?  I've already shared my completed grades.  If I left something incomplete, I would have received an "I", not a percentage.  That should be concrete evidence enough.  Besides, I was the one who did the work, no one else here did.  I didn't see an Atlas member over my shoulder while I was doing the school work, so no one can say for certain that I did not complete the course successfully.

[Joe Biden 2020]

That may be true, Bushie. I'm just so curious about why you don't want to call and were so hesitant to email anyone. I still don't believe you emailed them. Being a school, I doubt they'd just ignore student emails like you claimed they did.

Of course, I do remember you did call the career services woman when you said you did, so that's why I'm not totally calling you a liar. It just sounds strange to me, and even stranger when you say you want to make a call center your career after spending $5k+ on CADD.

I sent the email nearly a couple weeks ago.  I will call them Monday after the holiday vacations are over with.  I would like closure on this as much as anybody, after all it's been 4 months, but as you've experienced, these things can take time.

[Joe Biden 2020]

bushie do you regret walking out of cadd two months early?  all of this could have been avoided.

No, I don't regret it, because I finished school successfully three months early.  I made so much progress through the fall and winter months that I was able to finish early, successfully.  Now, I could probably have slowed down a bit and gotten a higher score, but that doesn't deny the fact that I did complete the program successfully.