Israel-Gaza war

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Hamastan Falling To Pieces

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzeMJF9tmhr/

Looks like refugees trying to leave Hospital grounds.

Reminiscent of the fall of Nazi Germany. The leaders in underground bunkers. Gaza City closing from two directions.

Would German soldiers have prevented the movement of civilians away from a war zone in Berlin like this?

Hopefully this will all be over quickly.

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https://twitter.com/Bugs_Meany/status/1723101449549230213

They got 200,000 people to chant their slogans in protests in London and New York, so Gaza and Iran have the best PR departments going in 2023.

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Have you ever heard the word 'Hospitals' in the media so much?

But not one word of Hamas militants using the Hospitals as bases.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/11/middleeast/gaza-al-shifa-hospital-israel-attack/index.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/11/12/israel-gaza-war-live-israeli-army-surrounding-al-quds-hospital

Why don't they just move away from the Gaza Hospitals and actually use the ambulances to move patients south?

I am sure Egypt and Jordan would be happy to help. Given how hard Hamas are pumping their media buddies for help, the tunnels under the Hospitals might be their last hurrah.

In response, Israel have offered to take any sick children from the Hospital into their care or transport them to an area where assistance can be provided in the South.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-12/israel-gaza-war-latest-updates-al-shifa-hospital-video/103094596

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On a related note is there any way that Israel can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Hamas is shooting their own people to keep them in dangerous areas to act as human shields?

Welcome back GMac. Good to see you on the forum again.

The iDF will interview Gazan's and publish these shortly. It feels like the civilians will be more than willing to speak once Hamas are destroyed.

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Muslim Double Standards

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czgski7MWkj/

It helps explain why Egypt and Jordan are barely lifting a finger to help.

Egyptians in particular will be under pressure if Israel push this poo barrage further south.

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Fox News

An interesting story on the surge in the US of antisemitism.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/head-online-campaign-identify-antisemitism-says-doctors-dentists-openly-spew-hate

Many people have been reported to this online campaign website and have subsequently lost their employment. Careful what you post online in your support of Hamas.

The group's X account asks the public to identify offenders, then, after a verification process, publishes their names and employers and urges the community to hold them accountable. Many who've been featured in the campaign have been fired.

"We’re creating consequences for those that espouse hatred and bigotry against the Jewish people and nation," Rez said. "They have a right to spew hate, and we have the right to put a spotlight on it."

I do like the way FoxNews report both sides on their stories. BBC, Al Jazeera and ABC Australia will just spew "Babies Killed In Israeli Hospital Strikes" 7 days a week regardless whether it is true or not.

Fox News Israeli Guest Aaron Cohen shared a video of Israeli Spc Ops infiltrating a Hospital in 2015 to arrest a Hamas Terrorist Leader.

Hospital Arrest of Hamas Leader

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czh8wjCreQ6/

He wonders whether Israeli Spec Ops are dressed as Palestinians and already in the Hospitals.

The IDF have reported they found an Arabic copy of Mein Kampf was found in a children's bedroom in northern Gaza.

https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1723664047692763459?s=20

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Girl gets named and shamed for giving the Nazi salute at a Jewish Rally in Beverley Hills.

Then she was pressured to give a public apology, presumably made by her brother.

Muslims Apologise

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzW1NTGvbqp/

In Australia (Victoria), the Nazi Salute is illegal now.

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Benjamin Netanyahu

NBC News - Meet The Press

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRThvlOjkq0

"If you want peace, destroy Hamas."

"We are 100% committed on achieving it with the minimum number of civilian casualties."

"I am going to unite the country. Nothing short of victory."

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CNN freelance Journalist, Hassan Eslaiah, filmed going to the Israel border with a hand grenade on October 7th, 2023.

https://twitter.com/HonestReporting/status/1722374178991444219?s=20

Hassan has since been sacked by CNN after this report came to light.

https://honestreporting.com/photographers-without-borders-ap-reuters-pictures-of-hamas-atrocities-raise-ethical-questions/

CNN, AP, Reuters, NY Times have said they were unaware they were using reporters who were embedded in the October 7 massacre team. In fact, New York Times have re-hired a Hitler supporter to report for them on Gaza:

https://twitter.com/HonestReporting/status/1715315267071332542?s=20

CBN News discusses these Honest Reporting stories about embedded Hamas operatives inside Gaza acting as Journalists for the Western Media.

JNS Jerusalem Bureau Chief

Alex Traiman

https://youtu.be/7JXN_N7uGRs?t=56

Alex said that Hamas needs the anti-Israel mouthpiece of the mainstream media to demonise the Jews.

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Latest and greatest from Lt. Colonel Jon Conricus talking about new developments in Gaza.

The Media Line

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Cjo1CEEoA

Jon appeared very calm, almost casual about the progress of the IDF in disabling and dismantling the Hamas apparatus of war.

He warned Hezbollah that they will regret any escalation on the northern border.

Jon said that all of the concrete used to build the tunnels was provided as aid from US taxpayers plus donations from European and Japanese Governments.

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Australian woman, Nicole Carbone, visits kibbutz Be'eri, her home and the location of her mother's murder on October 7.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-14/australian-returns-to-israeli-kibbutz-where-her-mother-died/103097694

"She told me, 'Listen, they're here for me' . She said, 'My sunshine, my beautiful daughter, I love you'. Then she hung up the phone. And that was it,".


In the wreckage of her mother's home, Nicole found mementos from her childhood. (ABC News: Haidarr Jones)

More than 80 others from kibbutz Be'eri were also murdered and more than 30 were taken hostage.

Nicole knows almost every one of them.

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PBS News Hour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-LSIWjkg4c

Leila Molana-Allen went inside Gaza with the IDF to report this footage.

Hamas militants were recorded shooting at something. When asked, IDF said Hamas were not shooting at the IDF, but rather at civilians leaving towards the south.

Unlike the Hamastan media reports, the IDF had no editorial control over the PBS New Hour footage.

Channel 4 News

Israel's Ambassador to the UK.

Tzipi Hotovely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trm0IFwsz-o

In this interview, Krishnan asks the stupidest 'gotcha' questions over and over again. I don't think he was really getting anywhere except exposing the general UK Bias towards Palestine.

She could have nailed him on a few issues, but did not give the right answers with the right follow up questions.

As an Ambassador, Tzipi is too aggressive in her answers in response to his antagonistic style. Revealing in some aspects, but a hard interview to watch in the end.

Under The Hospitals

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CznP-iqizgc/

Didn't see that coming. Evidence of a kidnapped woman and baby in the tunnels.

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I just want the scientific facts of what is happening. The IDF are publishing some interesting developments, but the Western media are not publishing it or researching their news.

This must have occurred with the Ukraine war where it gets hard to find out what is going on.

You're such a victim.

Sorry, I am confused Horus.

You are the one now in the mod thread crying about being the victim.

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NY Times

Israel Kidnapped Soldier, Noa Marciano, 19, confirmed dead after Hamas released video and photos of her body.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-hostage-video-noa-marciano.html

Hamas on Monday released a video of a 19-year-old Israeli soldier who was captured in the Oct. 7 attacks on Israel that included clips of her speaking early in the conflict and then images of her lifeless body. Hamas said she had been killed by Israeli airstrikes in Gaza on Thursday.

New York Times also published an article saying their photo-journalists were not involved with Hamas in the Oct 7. Attacks.

NY Times said the fact that they were filming Israeli tanks attacked by Hamas was their job as reporting the truth.

Times of Israel

IDF now entering Shifa Hospital.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-medical-teams-arabic-speakers-among-troops-that-entered-gaza-hospital/

The statement also says the Israeli forces that entered the medical center “include medical teams and Arabic speakers, who have undergone specified training to prepare for this complex and sensitive environment, with the intent that no harm is caused to the civilians being used by Hamas as human shields.”

PBS News Hour

https://youtu.be/SwWl8FXmo5Y?t=162

PBS News Hour had a couple of interesting points. But the media is caught itself between two diametrically opposed views.

Once the Hospitals have been taken over in Gaza by Israel, then we should have a clearer picture of what lies beneath them.

In Australia, ABC News Editor John Lyons said that Israel will suffer a major backlash if they don't find Hamas tunnels underneath Al-Shifa Hospital.

ABC News Australia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8UKXN4SenA

John said "Israel is saying some of that has been unavoidable because Hamas has been using civilians to embed themselves."

"If they find nothing in the hospital, then a lot of the basis of that argument falls and I think there will be a major backlash against Israel."

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It feels like the final episode where the truth is revealed.

I don't know the facts about what is underneath this Hospital, but I can sense a large group of "crisis actors" en-snaring the Doctors constantly ringing the World Health Organisation (WHO) to report an anti-Israel story which ends up top story of NY Times. The news feed from these Doctors is both continual and dramatic. Realistically, there will be Hamas militants in the Hospital and Hamas journalists, so it would be completely plausible they are forced to do the reporting stuff for the media feed.

We will have to wait for their book in 3 years time.

Israel have offered food, medicine, incubators, fuel. They could easily take all the patients out one by one and look after them.

Today is either D-day for Hamas or Israel depending on what they find.

BBC Apologise For pro-Palestinian Bias

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzqhfIhselt/

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Companies Donating to Israel

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzP0pbhPeds/

Facebook and Instagram are not donating money, but putting a team together to moderate pro-Hamas posts and accounts.

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PBS News Hour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqHXAX6yUGg

The "Crisis Actors" have left Al-Shifa Hospital. I have not figured out why Hamas had automatic machine guns behind the MRI machine. That would make for a tense scan. I get claustrophobic going in for an MRI scan normally. Imagine getting a cancer diagnosis and then getting an MRI and there is a guy in a black balaclava standing there with a green headband with a machine gun.

This Is The End

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpN54k93ugM

BBC News still pumping some dross from an unverified journalist who claims to be inside the Hospital.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67442045

A journalist trapped inside the hospital, Khader, told the BBC's Rushdi Abu Alouf by phone that Israeli troops were "everywhere, shooting in all directions".

The BBC has not been able to independently verify either of the reports.

I wonder why?

It looks like the IDF took over the Hospital, not just to hunt for underground bunkers with hostages, but rather to close down what its being termed "Pallywood", the media production capacity of Hamas which gets the WEstern media to publish daily stories with the terms "Hospital, Missiles, Not Our Gaza Missiles, Babies, Hospitals, Babies, Hospitals., Car Parks, Missiles, IDF, Hospitals".

It is widely recognised that Hamas needs these media stories published in UK and US media for sympathy in their struggle in this war. It is a key weapon of their arsenal as seen from the Hospital Car Park Gaza missile story.

The IDF has simply stopped this daily barrage of media reports from Al-Shifa in it's tracks.

The tattered remnants of this style of media production is showing links to BBC and New York Times. The headlines are still there, but the stories are now clearly vacant of facts and simply not plausible given the number of IDF troops with video cameras in the area.

I hope the patients in the Hospital are looked after or, preferably, moved out of the war zone as they should have been 3 weeks ago.

And of course, I hope we see some Israeli hostages released soon.

Nearby, an Israeli Hostage was found dead today near Al-Shifa Hospital.

Mother of Five Children - Yehudit Weiss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFionhy3IEA

R.I.P.

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Also Dule, Israel is not deliberately targeting civilians. The fact is Hamas has so integrated their military infrastructure into civilian infrastructure , that any military target becomes a civilian target as well. So if anyone is responsible for the large civilian death total its Hamas and not Israel.

This is outright IDF propaganda — even if (and it’s a ridiculous if) we suppose that parts of every single civilian-infrastructure target they have bombed so far were possibly/potentially used for military purposes, they still knew that bombing the entire complex would clearly result in large civilian casualties. And no, they quite evidently didn’t "warn" everybody residing in every building they bombed, as you can tell from the death toll.  

That is simply not true.

Hamas are surrounding themself with civilian targets and dressing up as civilians. This is common knowledge.

If the IDF did not warn people by text/phone/roof knocking etc, they would have killed 10,000 in the first couple of days.

The Allied Forces killed 10's of thousands of Germans and Japanese every time they bombed Germany and Japan respectively.

It's hard to believe that after 40 days, the Israeli's have only killed 10,000 Palestinians given the utter devastation of Northern Gaza.

The Hamas media machine includes Hamas fighters in that number, so we are probably closer to 5-6,000 civilians. Joe Biden has access to the real data, and he has suggested a similar analysis.

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The BBC is not a credible source on this conflict. They have repeatedly echoed Hamas propaganda uncritically our outright made up fake news ('the IDF is targeting Arab speakers and doctors'.)

Once BBC lost their links to the Al-Shifa "crisis actors", their news coverage fell off the side of a cliff. Israeli's have not been happy with their pro-Palestinian bias.

ABC Australia is identical. They just have rehashed biased articles copying the narrative of a Palestinian.

I will give credit to PBS News Hour. You can see they are trying to present the actual reality on the ground and frequently mention the nature of their sources.

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Ridin' with Biden. Nice work.

Who says "153 years experience does not count"?

You certainly cannot criticise President Biden for lack of experience.

He has forgotten things most of us have not even learnt yet.

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Israel and the US could get dragged into a Lebanon confrontation here.

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1726157944797253835?s=20

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Tunnels and Hostages at Al-Shifa Hospital

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzwIR19yCgW/

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England's greatest ever Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher, would have crushed the Pro-Palestinian protests in London according to her former aide, Nile Gardiner.

https://www.heritage.org/europe/commentary/how-thatcher-would-have-crushed-the-pro-palestinian-protesters


I am in no doubt that she would have supported an outright ban on the hate-filled pro-Palestine/pro-Hamas “protests.”
Bettmann / Contributor / Getty Images

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Alright tax dodgers.

PBS News Hour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC0tUVHegik

PBS News Hour talking about hostages, Hospitals and the Hamas militants hiding amongst them. The Indonesian Hospital is now a focus of attention.

The CCTV footage of Israeli hostages within al-Shifa Hospital on October 7, 2023 now supports the IDF and US claims about the al-Shifa Hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67469591

“The US has said it also has intelligence that Hamas has used hospitals in the Gaza Strip, including al-Shifa, as command centres and weapons stores.”

It looks like US intelligence was correct.

IDF Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsuuqB4QjlA

It will be interesting to see if Doctors and staff in Al-Shifa hospital will admit that they were in these videos or saw the hostages witnessed in the videos taken from CCTV. Previously, many Doctors in Gaza have refuted these claims. Will have to wait for the facts on this issue.

Now it has been revealed by the IDF that the hostages were both held and ultimately killed in and around this Hospital.

PBS News Hours stated some interesting historical research from 2014:

“Palestinian civilians accused of colluding with Israel were tortured by Hamas within the grounds of the Al-Shifa Hospital in 2014.”

BBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=544XxX9co_0

BBC News talks about hostage negotiations between Israel and Hamas.

Looks like the IDF has rescued the babies from Al-Shifa Hospital and taken them to Egypt.

IDF Transports Babies From Al-Shifa

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cz30SenIZkY/

Great work from the Israeli forces to remove these babies from the fighting and used as media pawns by Hamas.

Hamas could have sent these babies to Egypt 4 weeks ago, but clearly, they needed the media attention.

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Israel and Hamas have agreed to release Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian detainees:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-22/israel-hamas-ceasefire-hostage-release-deal-what-we-know/103135900


Families and friends of hostages have been pushing the Israeli government to secure their release. (AP: Ariel Schalit)

Former SEAL hostage negotiator, Dan O'Shea said a month ago that Hamas were not to be trusted in negotiations.

Dan O'Shea - Hostage Negotiator

News Nation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciUZ5q2C0iA

Today, Dan O'Shea told ABC News Australia that he said this is a complicated negotiation and he would not believe anything has been achieved until he actually witnesses freed hostages.

“We’re not dealing with two state players that will play according to laws of ongoing conflict. Hamas themselves, they grabbed 240 hostages, largely non-combatants, largely civilians.

“And we have reports that many of these hostages are elderly people in their 80s, and as young as three months old. So that right there tells you’re not playing with an honest player. And that’s what complicates this.”

President Biden was a little less pessimistic.

PBS News Hour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmrIfeWqNZs

But he warned "Nothing is done until it is done".

Nick Schifrin, PBS Foreign Affairs and Defense Correspondent, made an interesting observation. When asked why this hostage negotiation was so difficult, he said that whilst Hamas hold the majority of the hostages, some are held by Islamic Jihad, and he said others are simply held by private Palestinian civilians.

According to John Lyons from ABC Australia, once the 5 day ceasefire starts, 10 Israeli hostages will be released per day by Hamas and Israel will release 30 Palestinian detainees per day.

ABC News Australia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaJDmXYENPw

Benjamin Netanyahu talked about what happens after the ceasefire:

"We are at War. We will continue to fight until we have reached all of our goals".

IDF spokesperson Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus talked to NBC News about the hostage situation

NBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkGK0ENg_qU

Jonathan has been very forthright and accurate with his discussion and analysis of the War so far in Gaza.