How has CARLHAYDEN affected your opinion of amnesty for illegal immigrants?

[MaC]

FAR more in favor. I used to not care. Now I strongly support full and unconditional amnesty for all illegals.

I suppose murderers, rapists, and thieves should be pardoned of their crimes as well?

[MaC]

FAR more in favor. I used to not care. Now I strongly support full and unconditional amnesty for all illegals.

I suppose murderers, rapists, and thieves should be pardoned of their crimes as well?

Murderers, rapists and thieves have crimes that actually hurt people. The only thing 'illegal' immigrants are guilty of is a law that shouldn't be there in the first place.

Regardless, we live in a 'law and order' society (supposedly) and because we have immigration laws, they need enforcing.  No they don't directly hurt people in the same way, but they do deplete state resources that could be given to citizens.

[MaC]

FAR more in favor. I used to not care. Now I strongly support full and unconditional amnesty for all illegals.

I suppose murderers, rapists, and thieves should be pardoned of their crimes as well?

Murderers, rapists and thieves have crimes that actually hurt people. The only thing 'illegal' immigrants are guilty of is a law that shouldn't be there in the first place.

Regardless, we live in a 'law and order' society (supposedly) and because we have immigration laws, they need enforcing.  No they don't directly hurt people in the same way, but they do deplete state resources that could be given to citizens.

That doesn't seem like a very libertarian position. Libertarians hate laws, and are against distributing state resources.

That doesn't seem like an intelligent approach.  "Libertarians hate laws" is why people don't take you seriously.  Come back when you learn something new.

[MaC]

FAR more in favor. I used to not care. Now I strongly support full and unconditional amnesty for all illegals.

I suppose murderers, rapists, and thieves should be pardoned of their crimes as well?

Murderers, rapists and thieves have crimes that actually hurt people. The only thing 'illegal' immigrants are guilty of is a law that shouldn't be there in the first place.

Regardless, we live in a 'law and order' society (supposedly) and because we have immigration laws, they need enforcing.  No they don't directly hurt people in the same way, but they do deplete state resources that could be given to citizens.

Ignoring BRTD's pedantry here, I'd like to put in my two cents.

Rather than following the law for the sake of following the law, a more pragmatic approach is needed. The immigration process should be simplified to get rid of the excessive bureaucracy that make people jump the border in the first place.

Anyone who isn't a convicted felon should be allowed to immigrate to the United States if they want to. I mean, really- what reason is there to not allow them in?

Bacon King, I'd like to agree with you.  My state resource argument only stands because of the non-libertarian atmosphere of our county.  I (don't include all libertarians in this category plz) would like to abolish the national government-or at least reduce it to a minarchy where we wouldn't have to deal with problematic programs such as medicaid and social security.  I don't want more people mooching of the government than there already are.

However if we were to reduce the government to a very small libertarian one, we very well could have open borders because then the individuals would need to provide for themselves.  And I have no problem with people that come here legally to do this.  I admire that there are many immigrants that come here legally because it's a hard thing to do the legal way.  Citizenship means something once it's earned.  I would personally look to get rid of a lot of red tape that's making the process take so long and in the meanwhile encourage the border states to deny social programs to those who are here illegally as a first step in the problem.  I know it's not going to make a lot of difference-but it's a start in the right direction.

[MaC]

Nope, he hasn't swayed my opinion of the matter. But if it wasn't for him I don't know if I would have ever found out about the chaos on our border. Or that the whole deal of throwing those 2 border patrol agents in prison was utter bullsh**t.

I'd worry a lot more about border control for your state; in the continental US, we mostly worry about Mexicans jumping.  In Alaska, you have to worry about Soviets.

[MaC]

Nope, he hasn't swayed my opinion of the matter. But if it wasn't for him I don't know if I would have ever found out about the chaos on our border. Or that the whole deal of throwing those 2 border patrol agents in prison was utter bullsh**t.

I'd worry a lot more about border control for your state; in the continental US, we mostly worry about Mexicans jumping.  In Alaska, you have to worry about Soviets.

Ah, Mac, the Soviet Union disappeared into the dustbin of history some years ago.  There are no "Soviets" today.

Also, there hasn't been a landbridge between the continents for a long time.

I'm more in fear of future communist revival movements.  Russia isn't doing well in the world right now..