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Question: WEll?
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Author Topic: Do you need a support group to get past a Trump victory?  (Read 1505 times)
Crumpets
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« on: November 10, 2016, 01:40:24 PM »

I'm not old enough to really remember the last time a Republican has been elected President, are people always this drastic about it?

Bush v. Gore - yes

Bush v. Kerry - not so much, no.

Which is as much as to say 'not when the Republican actually wins the popular vote'.

I'm ok with the EV system -



But that's so not why we have an Electoral College system:

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Plus, is there any more justice in the grey areas overriding the blue areas than having the blue areas overriding the grey areas simply because they have more land? That seems like a horrible and almost feudalistic path to go down.
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Crumpets
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2016, 01:46:16 PM »

But that's so not why we have an Electoral College system:

True, but it's exactly why it needs to stay in.

No. No other developed Democracy weights its votes by area, and they are able to ensure a popular mandate. Again, why should they grey counties in your map be given disproportionate influence simply because of their land area?
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Crumpets
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2016, 02:09:44 PM »

Plus, as your map assumes that all of the largest population centers are able to vote unanimously against the rest of the country, which also theoretically votes unanimously for someone else, here's another, equally likely scenario:

Let's suppose a candidate wins all of the smallest states by exactly one vote, and gets absolutely walloped in the rest of the states:



Here's the vote totals for this scenario

Green - 33,757861 (26.15%) 282 EV
Yellow - 95,327,542 (73.85%) 256 EV

Green wins despite losing the popular vote by 48 points - roughly Mitt Romney's margin in Utah.
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