Minneapolis cops slowly murder handcuffed man in front of crowd

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

The police are an outmoded institution and will someday soon - in the historical sense - be replaced by community policing between unofficiated individuals.This of course will incur vigilantism etc. at first, but more humane ways of social integration will be developed from that point out.

With all due respect I don't see it. The existence of police is correlated with higher levels of governmental organization which in turn tends to correlate with greater prosperity.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

The police are an outmoded institution and will someday soon - in the historical sense - be replaced by community policing between unofficiated individuals.This of course will incur vigilantism etc. at first, but more humane ways of social integration will be developed from that point out.

With all due respect I don't see it. The existence of police is correlated with higher levels of governmental organization which in turn tends to correlate with greater prosperity.

Except for those communities subject to aforesaid policing. And that's the problem.

Even if that is held to be the case, it still would not be good enough reason to abolish police.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

All four officers involved have been fired.

thank god.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

What happens if a significant portion of the cops involved in this saga are not ultimately convicted?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

What happens if a significant portion of the cops involved in this saga are not ultimately convicted?

It's not going to be pretty.  

We could have a Rodney King riots then. Depending on how this unfolds.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Here's to hoping sanity prevails and we don't see a replay of Rodney King.
I wouldn't be against the National Guard and US Army being stationed earlier than usual to head off such a thing.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

the guy had clear intent to kill the man but since it is hard to get a conviction of a cop and it is necessary to have as air-tight and inarguable a case as necessary for sake of social peace and resolution, it is justified. We need a conviction.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

So every single white person thinks he's innocent. Right.

We have plenty of evidence to the contrary in just this thread alone.

Rodney King, George Zimmerman, Michael Dunn at his first trial, Michael Slager, the list goes on and on.

Amber Guyger?

Also your post implies that literally every single white person in the country without exception would vote to acquit. That's evidently not the case.

They don't need every single white person voting to acquit. You need just one. Statistically, we are looking at I guess 8 whites, 3 blacks, and one Hispanic in a jury, all other things being equal. What chance is there that you have one white person on the jury who doesn't believe that a second-degree murder charge passes muster?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Rumors are going around that heavily armed white supremacist groups have showed up and intend to target business with more arson tonight.

This is worrying. Any and all arsonists should be treated with full force of the law.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

We need to separate rioters, protesters, and looters because they are all different and have to be considered as such.
Protesters: people who march out peacefully but vigorously and use their 1st amendment rights to petition for better treatment from the government. They are key in keeping up pressure on the MPD and they should be lauded.
Rioters: the fringe elements disparately connected to the protestors in theory but with different tactics, which involve destroying private property, harming what little remains of civic peace, and literally and figuratively pouring gasoline on the fire.
Looters: opportunistic sorts focused not on any greivances they might have about the status quo but rather using the anarchy to rob people and attack people and steal their belongings.
The first group should not be tarred with the misguided frenzy of the second and the villainous harm of the third. Public order has to be upheld and so does the social contract. The social peace MUST be preserved or else things fall apart.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

This violence has evolved into a separate issue from the murder of George Floyd. We must not let a small group of people in various cities destroy our communities and country.

They are getting people against their cause! This is ing sad because this was the chance we had to get the general public on the side of Black Lives Matter.

Exactly.
The last thing we need is BLM, regardless of the truth of the matter, being tarred like this. Which, coincedentally, is exactly what those who oppose police accountability want.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Another police officer attacking protestors, this time with a car door:

https://twitter.com/NickAtNews/status/1266537738364477446?s=20

They are not "attacking."
Those are not "protesters."
As the police vehicles are driving by, it looks like these rioters are hitting the windows, trying to break them. This could be dangerous to anyone inside (would you like glass shattering pieces in your face/eyes?)
This looks to be a defensive move to keep these thugs at some distance from their vehicles.

This.

This must not become the means by which these issues are resolved.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

This violence has evolved into a separate issue from the murder of George Floyd. We must not let a small group of people in various cities destroy our communities and country.

They are getting people against their cause! This is ing sad because this was the chance we had to get the general public on the side of Black Lives Matter.

That's a nicely convenient outcome for those opposed to BLM, isn't it?

The most effective way to delegitimize a movement in this country is to make it look like a bunch of violent rebels. So absolutely.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Police needs to start bringing out the riot gear and engaging.

Your flamethrowers suggestion is inappropriate. Really, the last thing we need is to dial up tensions even more heavily, and if anything it is also highly disproportionate. Leaving all that aside that it is also very morally fraught of an idea.
There is a reason we stopped using flamethrowers in war.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

This violence has evolved into a separate issue from the murder of George Floyd. We must not let a small group of people in various cities destroy our communities and country.

They are getting people against their cause! This is ing sad because this was the chance we had to get the general public on the side of Black Lives Matter.

That's a nicely convenient outcome for those opposed to BLM, isn't it?

The most effective way to delegitimize a movement in this country is to make it look like a bunch of violent rebels. So absolutely.

Lol, nice try but the most effective way to delegitimize a movement in this country is to make it to be about minorities.

See Kaepernick kneeling.

I think if we had some christian equivalent to Al-Qeada in parts of the South, which came to see the US as not christian enough and sought to forcibly make everyone Christian and rebelled against Washington with force of arms, then it would have a worse image than BLM does.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

This violence has evolved into a separate issue from the murder of George Floyd. We must not let a small group of people in various cities destroy our communities and country.

They are getting people against their cause! This is ing sad because this was the chance we had to get the general public on the side of Black Lives Matter.

That's a nicely convenient outcome for those opposed to BLM, isn't it?

The most effective way to delegitimize a movement in this country is to make it look like a bunch of violent rebels. So absolutely.

Lol, nice try but the most effective way to delegitimize a movement in this country is to make it to be about minorities.

See Kaepernick kneeling.

I think if we had some christian equivalent to Al-Qeada in parts of the South, which came to see the US as not christian enough and sought to forcibly make everyone Christian and rebelled against Washington with force of arms, then it would have a worse image than BLM does.

The KKK

The KKK, while similar, is not EXACTLY what I am postulating. They never proclaimed themselves to control territory hitherto under the control of the United States and never sought to separate any territory from the US.
In practice no significant movement in the Continental US has directly opposed the territorial  integrity of the country since the Civil War.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

In retrospect I should have used ISIS as the analogy of choice, apologies for any confusion stemming from my decision to act otherwise.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Those who ravage Atlanta, if they continue to choose to not heed the words of their mayor and if they suffer from the inevitable restoration of order in the aftermath, should have no one to blame but themselves. The leadership of the city did everything they could to show empathy and yet the rioters showed in turn their municipal leadership and fellow Atlantans they had none in return.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

https://twitter.com/MayorFrey/status/1266778560234225669
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Instead of admitting that he's a part of the problem, he does this. Sigh.

How about he confront the white supremacists and members of organized crime and do a big spring cleaning in Minneapolis' PD?

Best case scenario is this is for public consumption and he still does some stuff in the shadows that ultimately are meant to deal with the root causes of the greviances.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

law enforcement: *teaches officers to roleplay as if going on patrol is duck shooting, perpetuates a system of discrimnation, abuse of power and zero accountability for things that would land normal people in jail*

minorities: ACAB!

law enforcement: *shocked pikachu face*

Which minority says ACAB lol?

ACAB is not something minorities generally say. It is more of a generic really young leftist expression of disgust at the police, used by more firmly progressive or even far-left elements that tend to be disproportionately Very Online. Race isn't relevant much insofar as to defining who actually says it.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

can the union be pressured into removing Bob Kroll as head?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

can the union be pressured into removing Bob Kroll as head?

He's too political, Pat Lynch and Ed Mullins, they have to go now.

I know he has to go. But I am wondering how he can be forced out.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Minnesota should consider doing a Camden on Minneapolis. Namely, by breaking up their police force and rebuilding from the ground up.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Minnesota should consider doing a Camden on Minneapolis. Namely, by breaking up their police force and rebuilding from the ground up.

As far as I'm aware, Camden had only peaceful protests this time around (so it does seem to have delivered some real change).

the Camden cops were a class act yeah. They even marched with the protestors and posted #BlackLivesMatter stuff in their twitter.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

This is seriously sick. The entire MPD just needs to be disbanded and rebuilt from the bottom up.

The police chief should be fired.

Because of some of your other comments regarding George Floyd's death, I'm curious as to to whether the police chief should be fired because of the actions of the four officers (particularly Chauvin) or for firing/consenting to the firing of (I'm not sure entirely how that process works) the four officers (or some of them) without "due process"?

For what its worth, I personally do not think the chief can be held responsible for the officers' behavior. Kroll was at the drivers' seat if anthing. He pushed them into and subjecting them to military-style training for instance, and if anything poured gasoline over the fire, slowly, over the years he's been on the political scene.
The new chief just took over last year. Was he supposed to be able to have the foresight, and the political capital, and the ability to surmount the various roadblocks, to fire Chauvin? I don't really think he could have.