Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

as for me:
1. Warren
2. Whitmer
3. CCM
4. Klobuchar
5. Harris

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Accomodation is a two-way street. The Bernie wing lost. They should act like it. From a risk-reduction perspective they are obliged to vote for Joe Biden, especially since he's done more than what is necessary to "earn" their vote.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Accomodation is a two-way street. The Bernie wing lost. They should act like it. From a risk-reduction perspective they are obliged to vote for Joe Biden, especially since he's done more than what is necessary to "earn" their vote.

That’s nice to say but doesn’t mean much, especially when the Democratic Party packs up and doesn’t support left-wing candidates that defeat their endorsed candidates in the primary.

The left doesn't get to shove its policy down the throats of the party on basis of consistent, laughable claims that Biden hasn't done enough to "earn" their vote.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Accomodation is a two-way street. The Bernie wing lost. They should act like it. From a risk-reduction perspective they are obliged to vote for Joe Biden, especially since he's done more than what is necessary to "earn" their vote.

That’s nice to say but doesn’t mean much, especially when the Democratic Party packs up and doesn’t support left-wing candidates that defeat their endorsed candidates in the primary.

The left doesn't get to shove its policy down the throats of the party on basis of consistent, laughable claims that Biden hasn't done enough to "earn" their vote.

This is a weird post. Because the Democratic party is (or pretends to be) a left-wing party!

But no, Biden hasn't really done much to earn people's votes, has he? From complaining about young people to outright telling people at rallies and events to vote for his opponents, he's been pretty bad at giving people a reason to vote for him.

The Democrats aren't a proper left-wing party. They are a party rooted in the center-left, with some more progressive elements and such.
You clearly haven't seen his pronouncements on student debt and some other matters.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Does MA have a law where the governor can only appoint a senate replacement from a preapproved list from the legislature?? Cuz that's the only way Warren would be at least a non-detrimental pick.

It's irrelevant. The legislature would just change the law to prevent Baker from jeopardizing the position of Senate Ds.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Does MA have a law where the governor can only appoint a senate replacement from a preapproved list from the legislature?? Cuz that's the only way Warren would be at least a non-detrimental pick.

It's irrelevant. The legislature would just change the law to prevent Baker from jeopardizing the position of Senate Ds.

Good point. Why didn't they do this when Kennedy died?

Because Deval Patrick was the governor at the time and no one would expect a Republican to win that seat.

Yeah, no need to change the law to require a Democrat be appointed, if the governor is a Democrat and will appoint a fellow Democrat to the vacant seat.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Does MA have a law where the governor can only appoint a senate replacement from a preapproved list from the legislature?? Cuz that's the only way Warren would be at least a non-detrimental pick.

It's irrelevant. The legislature would just change the law to prevent Baker from jeopardizing the position of Senate Ds.

Good point. Why didn't they do this when Kennedy died?

Because Deval Patrick was the governor at the time and no one would expect a Republican to win that seat.

Yeah, no need to change the law to require a Democrat be appointed, if the governor is a Democrat and will appoint a fellow Democrat to the vacant seat.

Completely forgot, my brain is not working today

Oh, no prob. That happens to all of us.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Demcord and Bidencord had a flame war and only 15 mins of partnership after Demcord harassed Bidencord's legit campaign staff and started issuing CCP propaganda.

OOF.
The fact that Demcord users did that I guess doesn't speak to any modicum of respect that their userbase gave to the Biden campaign in the primary campaign.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I still love her and think she'd make an excellent Vice President, but I feel that CCM is a safer choice. Kamala is like #2 on my list.

Is this the time to play it safe though? Does CCM excite... anyone? She strikes me as a VP choice that makes sense on paper, but could land with a thud.

It is not the VP nominee's job to excite people.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I still love her and think she'd make an excellent Vice President, but I feel that CCM is a safer choice. Kamala is like #2 on my list.

Is this the time to play it safe though? Does CCM excite... anyone? She strikes me as a VP choice that makes sense on paper, but could land with a thud.

It is not the VP nominee's job to excite people.

Didn’t say that.

With Biden’s age, he’s likely picking his successor. I was saying she’s not qualified.

I was replying to woodley park, not you. I agree with you in that Biden is likely picking his successor, whether in 2024 or (more likely) 2028.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1266547800092876802

Mayor of Atlanta looking strong tonight.  Folks generally don't consider mayoral experience to be as qualifying as congressman/senator/governor, but we live in interesting times. 

A++ speech.
God bless her.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1266547800092876802
Mayor of Atlanta looking strong tonight.  Folks generally don't consider mayoral experience to be as qualifying as congressman/senator/governor, but we live in interesting times.  

If she doesn't understand the anger, how people feel the system doesn't work, she won't heal the divide.

How on earth did you gather that she doesn't understand the anger from watching that?

Well, suggesting they register the vote when the police system is designed to prevent that is not promising.

You need to register to vote to be able to vote in DA elections don't you?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Harris' messaging on criminal justice and policing reforms this morning has solidified herself as VP, IMO.

Yeah, despite criticisms of her past - I think she's clearly trying very hard, and with good results - to make up for any of that with what she's doing now and how she's trying to push progress forward in 2020

That’s the thing- there’s nothing to make up for. She was progressive on CJ her whole career. The smears were disingenuous lies peddled by Bernie supporters who wanted to handicap her candidacy. Now that folks don’t have to compete with her in the primary they’re admitting the truth. Shaun King and Laura Bazelon are two of the biggest offenders and they’ve even backtracked on the Kamala hatred.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Im a little confused here - if America is as racist as the left says it is, then it’s political suicide for Biden to pick a “woman of color” lol

Not picking a "person of color" in this context, or rather, disqualifying someone of that description from being chosen for VP, would be racist regardless of whether the nation thinks, according to the largest group of those who are actually of this school of thought.
It doesn't make sense, I know. But these people aren't generally logical in their broader framework, so its par for course.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1273004134044782592

This article basically sort of corroborate something from the Politico article that claimed Klobuchar's chances of becoming VP had collapsed: that despite being white Warren would likely get the least backlash thanks in part to a fair number of Black activists and voters who really like her policies that they believe would be quite beneficial for the Black community at large. It also helps that unlike Harris or Demings, Warren hasn't been involved in a profession of criminal justice.

It also lists a few potential drawbacks: her age and ideology. Plus the fact that Harris is undeniably the frontrunner at this point.

This.

Warren has been thinking about how we rebuild the pillars of our society from the ground up - rather than how to make piecemeal changes - for her entire career. When it comes to economic policy that takes into account individual communities' needs instead of just the broad 'rising tide'-type policies, she has bold ideas that'll specifically help the Black community. When it comes to police reform & public safety, she's got a plan for that. When it comes to systemic racism, she's got a plan for that.

This isn't to say that other candidates who happen to be of color aren't qualified, but Warren is head-&-shoulders above them in terms of policy, guts, know-how, etc., & I've truly come to believe that she'd be the best VP (& future President) for the Black community all across this country. I think a number of other candidates are qualified, & would make history, but I'm not fully sold on the idea that they'd fight for the change we need to see, & while I can't speak for the Black community as a whole, I know my Black friends prefer a white woman who's all for bringing about structural change to a Black woman who might not be able to.

In terms of appeal to Black voters, she not only has the policy, the brains, & the ability to hammer out solutions, but she also understands that she can always learn more. She acknowledges when she's wrong & she makes efforts to fix her mistakes based on actually listening to the people she's wronged. She doesn't just crack open a book & say "statistically, this should work;" she turns to the downtrodden & says "tell me what you need," then she listens & she figures out how to make it happen. That ability to be wrong, to listen, & to reach out to continue educating herself is what puts her above not just the other VP contenders, but most politicians in this country too.

Oh yeah, & the party rank-&-file still wants her 2-to-1.

I wouldn't be upset what-so-ever if Elizabeth Warren is picked for the VP slot. I don't think she will, but if she isn't, then Biden has to choose her for Secretary of the Treasury. Wall Street would go nuts, but we need someone who's really going to shake-up the system.

It would cost Ds a senate seat they can't afford to lose. Baker would appoint a Susan Collins 2.0

Ok, I hate when people say this. But the risk is worth the reward. People think that the Senate is going to go 50-50 after this, then that's not thinking correctly. If the Dems win back the Senate, they're going to win more than just 4 seats. It'll be a few and sure Baker makes an appointment, Pressley is going to run against that person and win easily. If Joe wants to pick Warren, do it. I suspect that the Democrats can win more than just 4 seats, I think Montana will go to Bullock, Ernst looks like she's on the way out in Iowa, Doug Jones can certainly retain his seat, the two seats in Georgia are toss-up's and depending who Kansas nominates they could win that seat too.

For the last time, there will NOT be a Republican in that seat at any point in time.  Baker would appoint a Democrat because the MA legislature will make him do so.  I don't know how many times myself and other posters have to point that out for it to sink in.