Trump admin defends inhumane conditions for children at its concentration camps

[DavidB.]

People need to read and go back and study how the Holocaust unfolded. It might be uncomfortable for people to accept but the dehumanization of these migrants, refugees, and asylum seekers is very much the first step towards the heinous actions that occurred in Europe against the Jews.

No it's not.  The Jews didn't invade Germany.  Please stop pretending these are comparable instances.  My people were citizens of a country, rounded up like cattle, worked to death, and murdered for their religion and "race".  Nothing of the sort is happening in the United States, and the very idea of it is offensive to me.  

Amen.

Hope the wall will be there soon so that these detention centers won't be necessary anymore.

[DavidB.]

People need to read and go back and study how the Holocaust unfolded. It might be uncomfortable for people to accept but the dehumanization of these migrants, refugees, and asylum seekers is very much the first step towards the heinous actions that occurred in Europe against the Jews.

No it's not.  The Jews didn't invade Germany.  Please stop pretending these are comparable instances.  My people were citizens of a country, rounded up like cattle, worked to death, and murdered for their religion and "race".  Nothing of the sort is happening in the United States, and the very idea of it is offensive to me.  

Amen.

Hope the wall will be there soon so that these detention centers won't be necessary anymore.

David B., what event happened in Germany in the 10 days before Kristallnacht, leading to Herschel Grynszpan’s shooting the bureaucrat in Paris?

Cheap Godwin. Grynszpan's parents were deported to Poland. They were German citizens. Not the same as people voluntarily moving to the U.S., and Latin American countries aren't comparable to Nazi Germany.

[DavidB.]

After 1935, Jews were not citizens of Germany.  They were state subjects under the law.  You and other blue avatars in this thread and elsewhere have made the argument over and over again that these immigrants in the US are subject to the law (which they 'broke') and that if we don't like the law then we need to change it.

Citizenship, rights, all of it... are subject to revocation at any time.  Especially when you need them most.

Latin American countries didn't rescind these people's citizenship. And they're moving to the U.S., not away from it. If the U.S. were comparable to Nazi Germany, Latinos would be leaving the country in droves, not moving there in droves. It really remains a ridiculous comparison that trivializes Nazi Germany's crimes and causes the next generation of Americans (who are already less likely to have first-hand information about the war than Europeans) to take these crimes much less seriously. Congratulations.

[DavidB.]

Really, David? His parents were Polish Jews who moved to Germany in 1911. That’s why they were among the thousands of Jews that Hitler dumped on the border to cleanse Germany of Jewish immigrants.

Yeah, but the Grynszpans weren't "dumped on the border" in 1911 upon entering Germany, they were "dumped on the border" in 1938. After having been in Germany for 27 years. Legally, as citizens. That's the difference.

If the U.S. were to put people who had stayed in the U.S. legally (and were citizens) for 27 years in detention facilities, I'd fully agree that this would be worth the outrage. But that's not what's happening, and therefore the WWII comparison is completely inappropriate.

David, who were the main residents of Westerbork prior to June 1942, and the first Jews deported from the Netherlands?

How did Westerbork’s purpose and population change from 1940-1941 to the second half of the occupation?

Spare me this comparison. This year, the Dutch Night of the Refugee, a march in solidarity with "refugees", was supposed to start at Westerbork. Also wholly inappropriate and rightly cancelled following a massive amount of criticism, and the director of the memorial center will enjoy his pension now. What's your point?

[DavidB.]

As you may imagine, I am very well aware of Westerbork's history.

Children and adults entering the U.S. with a claim of asylum are here legally, David. They are following the law. Under the Flores agreement, they are entitled to a certain standard of humane treatment.

They are here as legally as Grynszpan’s parents were in 1933. The children in Trump’s concentration camps even have a greater claim because the Nazis actually changed the law to remove citizenship from Jews before they moved to deport now-illegals like the Grynszpans, while Trump hasn’t even done that. He’s just ignoring the law.

Are you saying people who had never been in America before applying for asylum have more of a right to be in America than Jews who moved to Germany more than two decades before the National Socialist powergrab, who held citizenship, but whose citizenship was subsequently stripped by the Nazis had a right to be in Germany? Wow.

[DavidB.]

Nice try - I am well aware of the unfortunate asylum laws that will ultimately destroy the West. What I am baffled about, however, is that you seem to think asylum seekers have more of a valid claim to be in the U.S. than the Grynszpans had a valid claim to be in Germany. And do you think Latin American countries are comparable to Nazi Germany?

[DavidB.]

This thread has already been thoroughly derailed.  Just remember, the way you treat immigrants is the way you treat Jesus.

Lemme think about this one

[DavidB.]

Let’s not forget that the administration is also deporting people who have lived here for decades and never known any other home and who have committed no other. Time than being brought here as children.

If they're in the U.S. illegally, they should be deported.