Anti-Semitism in UK Labour megathread

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"Applying double standards by requiring of it a behaviour not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation."

What does this mean? Obviously, moral behaviours should be demanded of every democratic nation, including Israel, including the US and every democratic state. Just because the US and other democratic countries fail in to protect human rights does not mean Israel should be immune from such criticism.

The labour party was not wrong in excluding this from its definition.

"Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis"

I mean it's wrong but not anti-semitic (as the labour party platform does), just as comparing policies of any countries to the nazis is (mostly) wrong but not racist.

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour.

I mean denying the Jewish people the right to self-determination is anti-semitic, this being that Jewish people should have been fully allowed to settle in Palestine, their ancestral homeland. Now opposing the creation of Isreal as a Jewish state as wrong and racist while fundamentally wrong is not inherently anti-semitic, especially when such creation resulted in millions of Palestinian refugees and Palestinian people being expelled from their land.

Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.


I mean this is fundamentally anti-semitic and should be part to the labour party anti-semitism definition.

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#JC8

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He was there to remember those killed  in the Isreal strike on the PLO in 1985. Non-Story.

It seems weird that there's nothing wrong with supporting the illegal war in Iraq and countless other wars responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands. There's nothing wrong with conservatives meeting with Steve Banon and far-right parties across Europe. There's nothing wrong with supporting the indiscriminate murder of Yemeni People by May and conservative party co.  There's nothing wrong with supporting Israel war crimes in Gaza, and cheering on Netanyahu and the Israeli Right as they pass the racist nation-state law. There's nothing wrong with having a homophobic, anti-catholic, terrorist DUP as part of your coalition but if you offer a challenge to the neoliberalism and wars the right-wing press and establishment attacks you like crazy. Fycking Hypocrites.

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He was there to remember those killed in the Isreal strike on the PLO in 1985. Non-Story.

God, there are literally pictures proving he was with this wreath at the graves of the terrorists, not at the graces of the Israeli strike victims. You sound exactly like a Trump supporter stubbornly claiming that his crowd size was the yugest ever despite the pictures.

I was aware of that, and I am not condoning that whatsoever and that is very problematic and bad, however, him being at that event is not symbolic of him being anti-Semitismitic. Also there is no proof that he was involved in the wreath-laying ceremony, that is not to say he should have been there in the first place, which he shouldn't have been at all. I view this in the same light as his associations with the IRA.

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I was aware of that, and I am not condoning that whatsoever and that is very problematic and bad, however, him being at that event is not symbolic of him being anti-Semitismitic. Also there is no proof that he was involved in the wreath-laying ceremony, that is not to say he should have been there in the first place, which he shouldn't have been at all. I view this in the same light as his associations with the IRA.

Is this what "not involved" looks like, according to you?

That is a wreath and he is holding it. This does not prove anything specifically other than the fact that he was in the wreath-laying ceremony but whether he laid the wreath is still unproven. Now that is beside the point, Corbyn should not have been there (wreath laying ceremony), and him being there shows displays of ignorance and poor judgment. There are also questions to whether he thought this was going to be done for the people killed in the Israeli air strike or those involved in Munich Massacre.



Anyway, that is beside the point, this obviously bad, should not be condoned, Corbyn should apologize and say he was in the wrong.

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Corbynists never fail to live down to even the most basic expectations of human decency.

Right-Wingers/Neo-Cons support countless wars and strikes all over the world resulting in the murder of countless civilians but sure 'human decency' only when it pertains to Corbyn Supporters.

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Corbynists never fail to live down to even the most basic expectations of human decency.

You guys support countless wars and strikes all over the world resulting in the murder of countless civilians but sure 'human decency'.

Oof. Your antisemitism is showing. There are quite some people that I expected this from, but you weren't among them.

"You Guys" sounds bad, really bad now thinking about it. It was meant to be a sensless derailment and frustration against neoon/right-wing hypocricy.

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Ignorance is rife on the intertwined link between Judaism and Zionism, Corbyn has failed to recognize that. While I stand by the comment that Corbyn is no at all anti-semitic, his attitude towards Israel-Palestine shows that he has a black-and-white view of Zionism vs Palestinian Rights that is unhelpful in the unity of the two groups and wholly ignorant.

Opposing Zionism is racist if we are going by the most encompassing definition, that the Jewish people have the right to live in Palestine. Noam Chomsky identifies as a Zionist under this definition.

Then you can get into Zionism definition #2, that the Jewish people have the right to statehood in Palestine. I feel that yes they do, but from a left-wing perspective, it is understandable why many/some oppose a Jewish state, as they oppose states based on a race/religion. The problems with this hower show a non-understanding to the need for a Jewish state to protect from persecution and provide a safe haven for refuge for the Jewish people.

Now if you support settlements (especially) and disproportionate bombings in Gaza and other discriminatory practices you are as racist as those opposing Zionism #1.

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So, the Zionist position is support Israel or we'll smear you into oblivion? I suppose Noam Chomsky is also an anti-Semite?

It is remarkably easy to criticize Israel without being anti-semitic. Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want to reach that bar.

Really sure you want to go to bat for the guy insisting Jews aren't proper citizens if they don't renounce Israel, who is currently being cheered by actual Nazis for speaking "Truth to Jewish power"?

If anyone said this about Islamists there would be no controversy whatsoever. Many people in the conservative right-wing do that on a daily basis. Yes, Corbyn's comments were wrong but it was used in reference to those that tried to shut down on the freedom of speech of a Palestinian Ambassador criticising Isreal.

Till, Noam Chomsky is a raving anti-Semite as he has the exact same opinions.

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7091355/former-kkk-head-david-duke-and-ex-bnp-leader-nick-griffin-back-jeremy-corbyns-amid-fresh-zionism-row/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/08/24/jeremy-corbyn-praised-nick-griffin-former-kkk-leaderafter-video/

So....David Duke and Nick Griffin are siding with Corbyn

They'll be put in the gulag when Corbyn gets into power.

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^^ I don't think that's a fair assessment...
Frank Field have always held Eurosceptic views along with Austin Mitchell, Tony Ben, Barbara Castle, etc
just like Ken Clarke, Michael Heseltine and Anna Soubry always held pro EU views,
To say he voted to save the Tories is completely unfair...
It's was a  vote about the customs Union not a vote of no confidence...
Some Tories voted with labour, are they voting to bring the tory gouvernement down?

This is ridiculous, the deselection efforts on him are stupid.

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Accept the IHRA definitions. Visit Israel and place a wreath at Yad Vashem. Condemn those who smear critics of his leadership as paid agents of Israel.

Why does he need to do this? IHRA definition is fundamentally wrong.

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The creation of the state of Israel is a racist endeavor, I mean like doesn't Corbyn believe this.

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Jeremy Corbyn adviser suggests 'deep state' working to stop Labour government


https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/98348/jeremy-corbyn-adviser-suggests-deep-state-working

ahahahaahh, right, it's the "deep state" that makes them say bigoted things, support bigoted people and go to events that celebrate murderous bigots.  Do they expect people to keep buying their sh**t?  It's insane how poorly they've handled this.  Even if you're blind and stupid and don't think JC is a bigot, you can't be happy how he's handled it....right?  Unless you're bigot too of course, then you're going to say things like "it's the deep state" and "You can be anti-Israel without being anti-Semitic."   It's barely better than the non-bigots who'd just rather turn a blind eye to it all with a  "we shouldn't talk about this much because it's a 'serious' issue".

You'd have to be a bigot yourself or totally not care about bigotry against Jews to still vote for them at this point.  Kind of like Republicans!

'Deep state'? Hes about an inch away from complaining about some Jewish Capital conspiracy to suppress him.

so...everybody in the eastern hemisphere is an anti-Semite, even the leader of Israel.....sheesh!

That DavidB quip about how in certain leftist eyes, the only
 true anti-Semitic action is criticizing  George Soros seems apt here.

It would probably do you and some of the others well to purchase a couple pairs of reading glasses.

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Don't you know, left-wing cirticism of Israel is unacceptable but right-wing antisemetism is fine as long as zionism is supported.

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https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1047878880932114432?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoog...

No one believes this gaslighting monster.

No-one believes you and the lying right-wing media either.