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Question: Would you take this alternate post 1992 TL
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« on: March 11, 2024, 08:36:13 PM »

List of Presidents:

41: George HW Bush (1989–1997)
42: Bob Dole(1997-2005)

43: Bob Graham(2005-2009)
44: Jeb Bush(2009-2017)
45: Mark Warner(2017-2021)
46: Marco Rubio(2021-Present)

List of House Speakers:

49: Tom Foley(1989-1999)
50: Dick Gephardt(1997-2007)

51: John Boehner(2007-2011)
52: Harold Ford Jr(2011-2021)
53: Cathy McMorris-Rodgers(2021-23)
54: Joe Crowley(2023-Present)
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E: 3.42, S: 2.61

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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2024, 11:37:12 AM »

List of Presidents:

41: George HW Bush (1989–1997)
42: Bob Dole(1997-2005)

43: Bob Graham(2005-2009)
44: Jeb Bush(2009-2017)
45: Mark Warner(2017-2021)
46: Marco Rubio(2021-Present)

List of House Speakers:

49: Tom Foley(1989-1999)
50: Dick Gephardt(1997-2007)

51: John Boehner(2007-2011)
52: Harold Ford Jr(2011-2021)
53: Cathy McMorris-Rodgers(2021-23)
54: Joe Crowley(2023-Present)

The Dems being out of power that long seems excessive. Why not 1996 or even 2000? Dole isn't a great candidate in 1996. Even Gore could have beaten him.

This is more assuming the consensus is that Republicans dominate the WH with few exceptions while Democrats dominate the House with few exceptions. So basically the 1968-1992 set up lasts to current day .

Also 1996 here would be Dems blow it again by nominating a bad candidate in an open election with a good economy.
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Computer89
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Political Matrix
E: 3.42, S: 2.61

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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2024, 11:54:40 AM »

List of Presidents:

41: George HW Bush (1989–1997)
42: Bob Dole(1997-2005)

43: Bob Graham(2005-2009)
44: Jeb Bush(2009-2017)
45: Mark Warner(2017-2021)
46: Marco Rubio(2021-Present)

List of House Speakers:

49: Tom Foley(1989-1999)
50: Dick Gephardt(1997-2007)

51: John Boehner(2007-2011)
52: Harold Ford Jr(2011-2021)
53: Cathy McMorris-Rodgers(2021-23)
54: Joe Crowley(2023-Present)

The Dems being out of power that long seems excessive. Why not 1996 or even 2000? Dole isn't a great candidate in 1996. Even Gore could have beaten him.

This is more assuming the consensus is that Republicans dominate the WH with few exceptions while Democrats dominate the House with few exceptions. So basically the 1968-1992 set up lasts to current day .

Also 1996 here would be Dems blow it again by nominating a bad candidate in an open election with a good economy.
Can't really imagine Trump being elected in TTL

Nope and neither does Obama and on the House level you never get Speaker Gingrich too so our politics would look quite different . This is probably what the consensus is considered here

Economic Policy : Republicans are generally trusted more to handle the economy overall but Democrats are more trusted to help maintain the social safety net and also deal with local economic issues in general .

Social Policy : Republicans and Democrats basically balance each other . Democrats in congress and at a local level are there to help push social change forward while Republicans are there to slow and refine such change

Foreign Policy : Yeah here Republicans pretty much dominate given how much power the President has here but Republicans on the flip side are still less ideological about foreign policy than they were in the 21st century OTL .
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2024, 02:50:54 PM »

No, Democrats are locked out of power for too long.

On the flip side the republicans are pretty much locked out of control of congress and democrats probably still have solid control of the legislatures too .

So you could say it’s a two tier party system :

Republicans dominate the presidency

Democrats dominate congress and state legislatures

The battlegrounds are your gubernatorial races


I would say this TL is bad for solid conservatives and progressives as neither really get a chance to really push the nation in their direction but good for the center right and center left
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2024, 02:48:09 PM »

No, the balance of power on the courts alone would make this TL a nightmare.

I mean would it be that different than OTL . Souter and Stevens probably retire under Graham so they get replaced by liberal justices (or Souter waits till Warner) and democrats control the senate more here too so the conservative justices are probably more like Roberts than Alito .

Also given this TL If Roe is say repealed in 1995 , I can easily see a less polarized america pass some type of compromise national bill as well .
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