Would you take this alternate post 1992 TL compared to the one we had in OTL

[OSR stands with Israel]

List of Presidents:

41: George HW Bush (1989–1997)
42: Bob Dole(1997-2005)
43: Bob Graham(2005-2009)
44: Jeb Bush(2009-2017)
45: Mark Warner(2017-2021)
46: Marco Rubio(2021-Present)

List of House Speakers:

49: Tom Foley(1989-1999)
50: Dick Gephardt(1997-2007)
51: John Boehner(2007-2011)
52: Harold Ford Jr(2011-2021)
53: Cathy McMorris-Rodgers(2021-23)
54: Joe Crowley(2023-Present)

[Samof94]

List of Presidents:

41: George HW Bush (1989–1997)
42: Bob Dole(1997-2005)
43: Bob Graham(2005-2009)
44: Jeb Bush(2009-2017)
45: Mark Warner(2017-2021)
46: Marco Rubio(2021-Present)

List of House Speakers:

49: Tom Foley(1989-1999)
50: Dick Gephardt(1997-2007)
51: John Boehner(2007-2011)
52: Harold Ford Jr(2011-2021)
53: Cathy McMorris-Rodgers(2021-23)
54: Joe Crowley(2023-Present)

The Dems being out of power that long seems excessive. Why not 1996 or even 2000? Dole isn't a great candidate in 1996. Even Gore could have beaten him.

[OSR stands with Israel]

List of Presidents:

41: George HW Bush (1989–1997)
42: Bob Dole(1997-2005)
43: Bob Graham(2005-2009)
44: Jeb Bush(2009-2017)
45: Mark Warner(2017-2021)
46: Marco Rubio(2021-Present)

List of House Speakers:

49: Tom Foley(1989-1999)
50: Dick Gephardt(1997-2007)
51: John Boehner(2007-2011)
52: Harold Ford Jr(2011-2021)
53: Cathy McMorris-Rodgers(2021-23)
54: Joe Crowley(2023-Present)

The Dems being out of power that long seems excessive. Why not 1996 or even 2000? Dole isn't a great candidate in 1996. Even Gore could have beaten him.

This is more assuming the consensus is that Republicans dominate the WH with few exceptions while Democrats dominate the House with few exceptions. So basically the 1968-1992 set up lasts to current day .

Also 1996 here would be Dems blow it again by nominating a bad candidate in an open election with a good economy.

[Samof94]

List of Presidents:

41: George HW Bush (1989–1997)
42: Bob Dole(1997-2005)
43: Bob Graham(2005-2009)
44: Jeb Bush(2009-2017)
45: Mark Warner(2017-2021)
46: Marco Rubio(2021-Present)

List of House Speakers:

49: Tom Foley(1989-1999)
50: Dick Gephardt(1997-2007)
51: John Boehner(2007-2011)
52: Harold Ford Jr(2011-2021)
53: Cathy McMorris-Rodgers(2021-23)
54: Joe Crowley(2023-Present)

The Dems being out of power that long seems excessive. Why not 1996 or even 2000? Dole isn't a great candidate in 1996. Even Gore could have beaten him.

This is more assuming the consensus is that Republicans dominate the WH with few exceptions while Democrats dominate the House with few exceptions. So basically the 1968-1992 set up lasts to current day .

Also 1996 here would be Dems blow it again by nominating a bad candidate in an open election with a good economy.

Can't really imagine Trump being elected in TTL

[OSR stands with Israel]

List of Presidents:

41: George HW Bush (1989–1997)
42: Bob Dole(1997-2005)
43: Bob Graham(2005-2009)
44: Jeb Bush(2009-2017)
45: Mark Warner(2017-2021)
46: Marco Rubio(2021-Present)

List of House Speakers:

49: Tom Foley(1989-1999)
50: Dick Gephardt(1997-2007)
51: John Boehner(2007-2011)
52: Harold Ford Jr(2011-2021)
53: Cathy McMorris-Rodgers(2021-23)
54: Joe Crowley(2023-Present)

The Dems being out of power that long seems excessive. Why not 1996 or even 2000? Dole isn't a great candidate in 1996. Even Gore could have beaten him.

This is more assuming the consensus is that Republicans dominate the WH with few exceptions while Democrats dominate the House with few exceptions. So basically the 1968-1992 set up lasts to current day .

Also 1996 here would be Dems blow it again by nominating a bad candidate in an open election with a good economy.

Can't really imagine Trump being elected in TTL

Nope and neither does Obama and on the House level you never get Speaker Gingrich too so our politics would look quite different . This is probably what the consensus is considered here

Economic Policy : Republicans are generally trusted more to handle the economy overall but Democrats are more trusted to help maintain the social safety net and also deal with local economic issues in general .

Social Policy : Republicans and Democrats basically balance each other . Democrats in congress and at a local level are there to help push social change forward while Republicans are there to slow and refine such change

Foreign Policy : Yeah here Republicans pretty much dominate given how much power the President has here but Republicans on the flip side are still less ideological about foreign policy than they were in the 21st century OTL .

[wnwnwn]

The End of History?

[S019]

Yes, and political discourse is probably much healthier.

[President Johnson]

No, Democrats are locked out of power for too long.

[OSR stands with Israel]

No, Democrats are locked out of power for too long.

On the flip side the republicans are pretty much locked out of control of congress and democrats probably still have solid control of the legislatures too .

So you could say it’s a two tier party system :

Republicans dominate the presidency

Democrats dominate congress and state legislatures

The battlegrounds are your gubernatorial races


I would say this TL is bad for solid conservatives and progressives as neither really get a chance to really push the nation in their direction but good for the center right and center left

[Frodo]

I can take President George Bush being re-elected (narrowly) in 1992, followed by a Democratic landslide in 1996, mirroring Britain when the Tories gained five more years after the 1992 election only to be swept away in 1997.  How about that?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Yes

[dw93]

No, the balance of power on the courts alone would make this TL a nightmare.

[OSR stands with Israel]

No, the balance of power on the courts alone would make this TL a nightmare.

I mean would it be that different than OTL . Souter and Stevens probably retire under Graham so they get replaced by liberal justices (or Souter waits till Warner) and democrats control the senate more here too so the conservative justices are probably more like Roberts than Alito .

Also given this TL If Roe is say repealed in 1995 , I can easily see a less polarized america pass some type of compromise national bill as well .

[DaleCooper]

I don't understand why Mark Warner would lose in 2020. Trump only lost because he was an idiot. Any normal president would've won in a landslide.

[Vice President Christian Man]

I voted "Yes" only because I'm interested in how changes can impact history. And I set up the hypothetical scenarios that went with that.

1992:



1996:


2000:


2004:



2008:


2012:


2016:


2020:


The PV/EC winner is the same in both of them.

[politicallefty]

No, the balance of power on the courts alone would make this TL a nightmare.

I mean would it be that different than OTL . Souter and Stevens probably retire under Graham so they get replaced by liberal justices (or Souter waits till Warner) and democrats control the senate more here too so the conservative justices are probably more like Roberts than Alito .

Also given this TL If Roe is say repealed in 1995 , I can easily see a less polarized america pass some type of compromise national bill as well .

You should've shown us Senate control as well. It seems safe to assume Planned Parenthood v. Casey still happened in your timeline. Instead of RBG replacing Byron White, it'd be another GHWB appointee. I wonder if Blackmun would've tried to wait out Bush or would've ended up dying on the bench.

I'm also curious to know how 52 years of Democratic control of the House ends in 2006.