NY: Convicted Felon Donald Trump!

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The whole presumed innocent mantra is just a formality. It doesn't mean a person is actually not guilty.

Especially in a case where there’s such a clear and obvious evidence trail to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you can't even get Mitt Romney to convict, you haven't got it:
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1643355977557606401?cxt=HHwWgoCwncDjr84...

And of course politicians have no political agenda of their own.

The point is if even the strongest anti-Trump voices say No to conviction because they believe there is no evidence to convict, then the jury is unlikely be to persuaded to convict.

So the picture is that the D.A. choose to indict without having the evidence for probable conviction even with a Manhattan jury.

It's a fiasco.

Even Amash :

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1643361709766193153?t=_7FQqD6uG-FQ6qzer-_...

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The whole presumed innocent mantra is just a formality. It doesn't mean a person is actually not guilty.

Especially in a case where there’s such a clear and obvious evidence trail to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you can't even get Mitt Romney to convict, you haven't got it:
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1643355977557606401?cxt=HHwWgoCwncDjr84...

And of course politicians have no political agenda of their own.

Bragg is also a politician

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If Trump’s been indicted , why doesn’t the DOJ just publicly announce it right now

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https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1666965187323150337

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I feel like Jack Smith really stepped in it by bringing the case in Florida and not Washington. Now Trump is going to get a jury of 12 MAGA cult members when his trial rolls around.

It probably will be a jury of non voters

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If Trump even spends one day in prison for any of his crimes, then it would be one of the greatest things to happen in American history.

Hopefully, he serves at the very least a year in prison.

I still don't see Trump serving even one day in federal prison, even with a Democratic president. The pressure the latter will be under to pardon, let alone commute, Trump for the supposed "good of the country" would be enormous and I definitely don't see a centrist like Biden withstanding it. It's just like with the former Confederate leaders and Nixon.

This is dooming to an extreme. If he doesn’t go to prison after being convicted it’ll be due to the practical issues of secret service protection within prison - not because Biden would pardon him.

They could always create a makeshift (country club) prison specifically for him, but if getting some sort of (symbolic) house arrest doesn't count as prison, that would be a fair point.

It would be way cheaper to just put fencing around Bedminister then to build a whole new wing in a prison just for him .

They probably would still cut of his internet access , limit who he can visit etc so it would still be like an actual prison

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Interesting tidbit from the Atlantic article.

WHAT THE 2024 ELECTION IS REALLY ABOUT FOR TRUMP SUPPORTERS
He promised them: “I am your retribution.”

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The trial date for the hush‐money case was later set during a hearing with Judge Merchan where Trump appeared via video from a room in Mar‐a‐Lago. For most of the appearance, Trump silently listened, his microphone on mute. But when the judge announced the court date—March 25, 2024—he reacted angrily, waving his hands and shaking his head. No one in the courtroom could hear him, but he appeared to be yelling at the lawyer sitting next to him in Mar-a-Lago, Todd Blanche. According to a source there with Trump, the former president erupted at Blanche because the March 2024 trial would be during a crucial point in the presidential campaign.

“That’s in the middle of the primaries!” Trump yelled. “If I lose the presidency, you are going to be the reason!”

Trump’s tantrum, according to the source, continued for nearly 30 minutes after the court appearance ended and the camera was turned off—a withering attack on perhaps the most highly regarded lawyer on Trump’s troubled legal team.

“You little [******]!” Trump yelled at Blanche. “You are going to cost me the presidency!”

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/what-2024-election-really-about-trump-supporters/675869/

I censored an f bomb, you can see it in the article.

Given the Jan 6th trial will be happening in March , why is this also being held in March

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The full jury has been seated!  Opening arguments on Monday.  Amazingly fast work.

Are they gonna be sequestered. I imagine they will be

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I highly doubt he would be locked up for this

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I still stand by this is not good for the nation. How many Presidents would be tried then: Nixon, Clinton, W and you could add more as well.

Jan 6th and Doc Cases are different because of the national sec aspect

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I still stand by this is not good for the nation. How many Presidents would be tried then: Nixon, Clinton, W and you could add more as well.

Jan 6th and Doc Cases are different because of the national sec aspect

Presidents aren't above the law. If a Dem did this, I would say the same.

Presidents operate under grey areas all the time.

Jan 6th, Doc Cases and Nixon sabotaging Vietnam Peace Talks(if he was caught) are exceptions because they all violated our national security

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I still stand by this is not good for the nation. How many Presidents would be tried then: Nixon, Clinton, W and you could add more as well.

Jan 6th and Doc Cases are different because of the national sec aspect

Nixon and Bill Clinton belonged in prison; it’s a horrible disgrace that both were allowed to be above the law.  This is a great day for America!

No they did not. Ford was right to pardon Nixon and the DOJ was right to let Clinton off

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I still stand by this is not good for the nation. How many Presidents would be tried then: Nixon, Clinton, W and you could add more as well.

Jan 6th and Doc Cases are different because of the national sec aspect

Presidents aren't above the law. If a Dem did this, I would say the same.

Presidents operate under grey areas all the time.

Jan 6th, Doc Cases and Nixon sabotaging Vietnam Peace Talks(if he was caught) are exceptions because they all violated our national security

Being an anti-Trump Republican takes guts. And you showed us again that you are no anti-Trump Republican.

Jeb Bush agrees with me on this

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He's still got Haley's vote!

Cause nobody cares about this case .

https://twitter.com/joshkraushaar/status/1796284372066177098

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He's still got Haley's vote!

Cause nobody cares about this case .

https://twitter.com/joshkraushaar/status/1796284372066177098

That's what one poll says. We also have these ones:

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1796292216232550892

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1796292557950869987

Conviction for Jan 6th is different than this

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I still stand by this is not good for the nation. How many Presidents would be tried then: Nixon, Clinton, W and you could add more as well.

Jan 6th and Doc Cases are different because of the national sec aspect

And you are wrong in that belief. Unspeakably so actually. If a president commits a crime, let them be prosecuted according to law. Otherwise the law means nothing

So W should go to jail for Iraq, Obama for drones so see where this precedent leads too

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Now when are we going to convict george w bush and nikki haley

This is exactly why this precedent is bad .

Anyway if your gonna set it up then you need to allow automatic appeal to the state supreme court/US Supreme Court

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Even Mitt Romney is opposed to this:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna152420

 

that the president “made an enormous error” by not pressuring New York prosecutors to drop their case against Trump. (Presidents can pardon only in federal cases.)

"He should have fought like crazy to keep this prosecution from going forward,” Romney said, referring to Biden. “It was a win-win for Donald Trump.”

Pressed by Ruhle whether that is Biden’s job to pardon Trump, Romney said he believes that Biden should have taken a cue from former President Lyndon B. Johnson, saying that the president could have stepped in and urged New York prosecutors to drop the case.“I have been around for a while. If LBJ had been president, and he didn’t want something like this to happen, he’d have been all over that prosecutor saying, ‘You better not bring that forward or I’m gonna drive you out of office,’” he said.

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Even Mitt Romney is opposed to this:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna152420

 

that the president “made an enormous error” by not pressuring New York prosecutors to drop their case against Trump. (Presidents can pardon only in federal cases.)

"He should have fought like crazy to keep this prosecution from going forward,” Romney said, referring to Biden. “It was a win-win for Donald Trump.”

Pressed by Ruhle whether that is Biden’s job to pardon Trump, Romney said he believes that Biden should have taken a cue from former President Lyndon B. Johnson, saying that the president could have stepped in and urged New York prosecutors to drop the case.“I have been around for a while. If LBJ had been president, and he didn’t want something like this to happen, he’d have been all over that prosecutor saying, ‘You better not bring that forward or I’m gonna drive you out of office,’” he said.

This a pretty naive take, even for a fairly naive politician like Romney.

Biden isn't LBJ. No President in the modern party system has institutional power like LBJ had in Washington. And LBJ had it just in Washington! This is a New York State case, after all.

Bragg should be publicly shamed by the Democratic Party . I mean this is a guy who lets far worse crime go on a daily basis . Also you can issue a pardon on these charges and thus remove any incentive to bring the case to begin with

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Even Mitt Romney is opposed to this:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna152420

 

that the president “made an enormous error” by not pressuring New York prosecutors to drop their case against Trump. (Presidents can pardon only in federal cases.)

"He should have fought like crazy to keep this prosecution from going forward,” Romney said, referring to Biden. “It was a win-win for Donald Trump.”

Pressed by Ruhle whether that is Biden’s job to pardon Trump, Romney said he believes that Biden should have taken a cue from former President Lyndon B. Johnson, saying that the president could have stepped in and urged New York prosecutors to drop the case.“I have been around for a while. If LBJ had been president, and he didn’t want something like this to happen, he’d have been all over that prosecutor saying, ‘You better not bring that forward or I’m gonna drive you out of office,’” he said.

This a pretty naive take, even for a fairly naive politician like Romney.

Biden isn't LBJ. No President in the modern party system has institutional power like LBJ had in Washington. And LBJ had it just in Washington! This is a New York State case, after all.

Bragg should be publicly shamed by the Democratic Party . I mean this is a guy who lets far worse crime go on a daily basis . Also you can issue a pardon on these charges and thus remove any incentive to bring the case to begin with

The President cannot pardon state crimes. How do some of y’all still not get this?

The governor of New York can

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Now when are we going to convict george w bush and nikki haley

This is exactly why this precedent is bad .

Anyway if your gonna set it up then you need to allow automatic appeal to the state supreme court/US Supreme Court

Trump should be in PRISON for the rest of his life.

But George W Bush and Nikki Haley have done far greater harm to the world and country.

This post is the reason why people like Tim Scott think the DOJ is targeting Republicans (what?). Cases cannot just be brought willy-nilly and they have to go through a process, as this one did. The case against Haley or Bush would just get laughed out of court and damage the credibility of the justice system for no real gain.

Especially Haley . Like Haley literally was just the UN Ambassador so she was not in charge of decision making either like a sec of state or sec of def would be .

That’s literally just calling to arrest people who advocate for different policy than you which is insane

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Even Mitt Romney is opposed to this:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna152420

 

that the president “made an enormous error” by not pressuring New York prosecutors to drop their case against Trump. (Presidents can pardon only in federal cases.)

"He should have fought like crazy to keep this prosecution from going forward,” Romney said, referring to Biden. “It was a win-win for Donald Trump.”

Pressed by Ruhle whether that is Biden’s job to pardon Trump, Romney said he believes that Biden should have taken a cue from former President Lyndon B. Johnson, saying that the president could have stepped in and urged New York prosecutors to drop the case.“I have been around for a while. If LBJ had been president, and he didn’t want something like this to happen, he’d have been all over that prosecutor saying, ‘You better not bring that forward or I’m gonna drive you out of office,’” he said.

This a pretty naive take, even for a fairly naive politician like Romney.

Biden isn't LBJ. No President in the modern party system has institutional power like LBJ had in Washington. And LBJ had it just in Washington! This is a New York State case, after all.

Bragg should be publicly shamed by the Democratic Party . I mean this is a guy who lets far worse crime go on a daily basis . Also you can issue a pardon on these charges and thus remove any incentive to bring the case to begin with

The President cannot pardon state crimes. How do some of y’all still not get this?

The governor of New York can

Should the other 34 defendants in Manhattan that have been charged by Bragg's DA office with felony counts for falsifying business records be granted pardons too?

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1796370294858490027

What Romney is saying is presidents should not  be charged for stuff like this .

At the very least if you are gonna, then you should require them to be allowed an auto appeal to the state Supreme Court or SCOTUS(depending on whether it’s a state or federal charge) and let them decide if they should get immunity for that particular charge

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https://twitter.com/BrianKempGA/status/1796305178238369873?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogl...

https://twitter.com/alexanderbolton/status/1796355460498649192

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https://twitter.com/BrianKempGA/status/1796305178238369873?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogl...
https://twitter.com/alexanderbolton/status/1796355460498649192

A couple lying hack Republicans saying it does not make it true.

They are consistent on this. Susan Collins isnt pro Trump either so this is an actual belief the GOP has . This is a massive break from decades of American precedent and that is not good.

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https://twitter.com/BrianKempGA/status/1796305178238369873?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogl...
https://twitter.com/alexanderbolton/status/1796355460498649192

A couple lying hack Republicans saying it does not make it true.

They are consistent on this. Susan Collins isnt pro Trump either so this is an actual belief the GOP has . This is a massive break from decades of American precedent and that is not good.

yeah, but an American politician leading a horde of russki/red chinese brainwashed goons to attack the Capitol building was a massive break from decades of American precedent too

can't really sympathize with their argument when their guy was the one who took everyone down this slippery slope first

Trump was not being tried for that case though. If he was being tried for that case then that argument makes sense but this was not over Jan 6th